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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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Hi;

[latex fixed by admin]

Fn is the nth Fibonacci number

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Please use the latex capabilities of M or the codecogs site for perfect latexing every time.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi ElainaVW

I am getting

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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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Hi anonimnystefy;

Thanks for the kind solutions.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Yes, the integration is too tough. But that is not the only way to skin a cat.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi ElainaVW;

Congratulations on your new member status.

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**ElainaVW****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-29
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Hi Bobby;

Thanks, I had two of the best there are over here.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hmmmm.

Please use my username.

Usually, accelerators like sequences where e is shrinking by a fixed constant.

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Hi bobbym, How did you do that?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

Bother the OP? It was easy, I am good at being annoying.

But besides from that which do you mean?

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The Summation

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

There are many ways to do that sum. When you have the gf you have the sum of the terms of the sequence the gf represents. Normally, the gf is treated formally but when you use it for summation the rules of power series apply,

The numerical way just takes advantage of the double rule and the principles outlined over here.

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bobbym wrote:

When you have the gf you have the sum of the terms of the sequence the gf represents. Normally, the gf is treated formally but when you use it for summation the rules of power series apply,

I know nothing about them, Please teach

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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A generating function is nothing more than a power series where we do not care about the usual kaboobly doo called analysis, Radii of convergence, questions of convergence, analytical disks and even what the series converges to do not count.

What is unique about a gf is the coefficients are the number ways of some combinatorics problem. Now, that is very very loose but to show more I would need some examples.

I believe that you asked me a question similar to this one on another forum. It was about partitions, the major reason why Euler helped to invent gf's.

Here we have the gf of the Fibonacci sequence. Want to see how?

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Yes. Please show

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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We start with the Daddy of all knowledge, the Taylor series.

If f(x) = x / ( 1- x - x^2) then we get:

Recognize those coefficients?

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Yes.

I do not know much about the Taylor series though.

How did you expand that?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That formula up there is the Taylor series. It says that most any function can be converted to and infinite series consisting of powers of x. ( some reservations here but trying to keep it simple and understandable)

For instance:

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I entered the following into Maxima and it worked.

`taylor( x / ( 1- x - x^2), x, 0, 8);`

next...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Now you are learning!

When there are infinite number of terms we call them a Taylor series when we truncate at say 5 terms then we have a Taylor polynomial.

Now what is so useful about a polynomial instead of the function it replaces? To answer that kind of question you have to know the history of mathematics, something sadly lacking in today's syllabus.

Anyway, if we ever get into the uses of a Taylor series, I mean the real uses not 2 pages devoted to it in some calculus book, then questions of convergence and real analysis apply.

But we are getting away from gf's. You should see the Taylor series has as its coefficients the Fibonacci sequence and they are indexed correctly. We say that x / ( 1- x - x^2) is the generating function of the Fibonacci sequence.

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We say that x / ( 1- x - x^2) is the generating function of the Fibonacci sequence.

So far, so good...

Now, how did this help you doing the problem?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Did you understand what I meant when I said indexed correctly?

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I overlooked that. Maybe you mean their order?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is correct.

Notice the first Fibonacci number is 1 and it is the coefficient of x^1. The fourth Fibonacci number is 3 and it is the coefficient of x^4 Likewise, the tenth is 55 and it is the coefficient of x^10.

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