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#51 2013-04-04 03:27:13

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Re: CAS suggestions

bobbym wrote:

They are superhuman

How?

He who designs the chisel for carving the best sculpture hasn't got more talent than the one who carves it


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#52 2013-04-04 03:28:52

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Re: CAS suggestions

I agree but we were talking about the fact that they have mastered a difficult mathematical discipline. One that few mathematicians are capable of.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#53 2013-04-04 03:36:54

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Re: CAS suggestions

Maybe my opinions should be better when I really start using them


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#54 2013-04-04 03:47:17

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Re: CAS suggestions

It is like arguing against using a ballpoint pen just because Euler did not have one. Or not using electricity because Gauss did not need it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#55 2013-04-04 03:48:45

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Re: CAS suggestions

Nope, I am not arguing against CAS


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#56 2013-04-04 03:52:33

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Re: CAS suggestions

The school system is the one arguing against them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#57 2013-04-04 03:58:08

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Re: CAS suggestions

Yeah!

Maybe a 14 year old is not supposed to get into that so soon, I already have the tendency of making sily mistakes and relying on calculators will defocus me more


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#58 2013-04-04 04:02:56

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Re: CAS suggestions

Hmmm, maybe but maybe it will help you focus by removing the drudgery of calculation from your work.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#59 2013-04-04 04:11:27

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Re: CAS suggestions

Yes, but at school they won't allow me to carry a calculator


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#60 2013-04-04 04:18:18

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They have been arguing about that for 50 years over here. I guess you know what side I have been arguing.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#61 2013-04-04 04:33:10

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Yes, but I do not know what I should argue for


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#62 2013-04-04 04:45:27

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That is okay, you have plenty of time to learn those things. You are on the right forum that is for sure.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#63 2013-04-05 03:33:25

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Re: CAS suggestions

Do I have to know integration before I can use a CAS?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#64 2013-04-05 03:36:48

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Re: CAS suggestions

You have not learned it yet. Install the CAS and it automatically becomes your new teacher.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#65 2013-04-05 04:54:02

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Does it mean it will teach me Calculus? Even if I don't know?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#66 2013-04-05 05:00:41

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Not exactly but it will check your answers. You can do as many problems as you want and it will tell you when you are right.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#67 2013-04-08 00:37:19

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Re: CAS suggestions

Agnishom, Calculus (the fundamentals anyways) is not too arduous with the correct resources. There are numerous online resources which make learning Calc easy at any age (by the way, the MIF calculus tutorials are great). Anyways, as far as I know, wxMaxima can be used for many other things not involving calculus.

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#68 2013-04-08 01:48:05

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Re: CAS suggestions

Agreed


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#69 2013-04-08 01:51:43

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Re: CAS suggestions

Have you done much on limits and differentiation yet?

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#70 2013-04-08 02:25:36

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Re: CAS suggestions

I just know the fundamental idea and a little formula


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#71 2013-04-08 02:59:39

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Re: CAS suggestions

So are you familiar with the idea of a limit? Anyways, there is this great book "Calculus Made Easy". It is small and is 60 years old (but was recently renovated by Martin several years back). It is great and teaches even the chain rule with ease.

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#72 2013-04-08 03:14:13

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Re: CAS suggestions

Let me see,  Thank You


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#73 2013-04-08 03:16:55

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Re: CAS suggestions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calculus_Made_Easy
The original book is 103 years old though... Yet I believe it is the more comprehendable introductory calculuss book I have ever had the pleasure to read.

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#74 2013-04-08 04:10:36

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Re: CAS suggestions

That is a very good book and it taught me.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#75 2013-04-08 04:31:36

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Re: CAS suggestions

Lots of Thanks smile

I like the book http://calculusmadeeasy.info/


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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