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#1 20060828 11:19:52
Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingA dark discussions forum, great, I was looking for this. #2 20060828 11:35:55
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingThat isn't really a "what if" question. We know the universe is constantly expanding, and in fact speeding up it's exapansion. So by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, the energy in any one place will overall decrease as it expands. So in trillions of years, there will be almost no energy anywhere. No energy, no life. "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #3 20060828 12:07:37
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingWell, there was a long discussion about that, because it was possible that the universe was expanding or compressing. The reason we know it is permanently expanding is because of the study of the mass of the universe, not because of the law of thermodinamics. And anyway, the law of thermodinamics doesn't apply to ideal objects... would you apply thermodinamics to numbers, to family relations, to feelings, etc? Last edited by cronodragon (20060828 12:09:07) #4 20060828 12:36:35
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Would said objects really "exist" if we didn't? "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #5 20060828 15:52:44
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Maybe yes, maybe not, how could we proof a solution for that?
Well, I just wanted to keep my question. You are sending my question a trillion of years in the future, and I can't wait so much to know what would happen if in a near time someone proofs (not only thinks that there could be a solution like thermodynamics) that birth and death of everything is based on logic? #6 20060828 22:27:49
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingWell, the question you ask just does not make sense. First off, everything is not born, and everything does not die. If you wish to change the definitions of birth and death, then you can make it so, but again, that ain't birth or death. "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #7 20060829 00:25:57
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingOk, that's what I wanted to know. #8 20060829 01:49:51
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingTime travel doesn't work backwards like that. Why did the vector cross the road? It wanted to be normal. #9 20060829 01:54:56
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingMaybe those time machines are aware of the time travel paradoxes... and on the other hand, maybe our time is not the "nice" time where they would like to be. Remember there still remains a trillion years to find it out. #10 20060829 06:36:10
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingTime travel is a violations of Thermodynamics anyways. When you introduce new material to a closed system, it makes that system open, even though the system itself did not change. Thus, the same principals don't apply. "In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..." #11 20060912 11:37:18
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Perhaps you'll find this page interesting. You can shear a sheep many times but skin him only once. #12 20060912 16:30:12
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingThe wormhole theory is offtarget. Wormholes aren't breaks in SpaceTime (Star Trek~), but more like direct "shortcuts" within the universe between two points. Boy let me tell you what: I bet you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too. And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you. #13 20060913 01:14:48
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which is where idea of multiplie universes comes in, when you go back in time, and change something, even just by being there, a new universe is started from that point, independant of the one you left. or something along those lines The Beginning Of All Things To End. The End Of All Things To Come. #14 20060913 02:22:10
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingThat's Realm Theory. Boy let me tell you what: I bet you didn't know it, but I'm a fiddle player too. And if you'd care to take a dare, I'll make a bet with you. #15 20061012 01:52:30
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingI don't like the multiverse theory: it would be nice if our universe was unique. I think that a multiverse is a universe without a destiny, just a future with an infinite amount of outcomes. Bleh! #16 20061016 22:00:13
Re: Mathematical proof of birth and dead of everythingAmaizing.....!!! Be Happy!
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