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#1751 2012-07-23 06:53:54

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Re: What do you think?

The upper bound does not prove that B is right. A solution would prove that B is partially right. Remember he said there was an easy way to get an answer and then from there he could get the smallest answer.


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#1752 2012-07-23 07:06:58

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym


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#1753 2012-07-23 07:10:29

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;

Then please phrase things correctly else we can not understand each other. An upper bound implies an interval where an answer lies between. Had you said a solution then we would understand each other.

Also that is not the solution B had in mind.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1754 2012-07-23 07:12:03

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym

But it is indeed a solution. And I can easily find it out and show it is true.


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#1755 2012-07-23 07:17:13

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Re: What do you think?

It is a solution but it did not use use B's method. So it does not yet answer the question.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1756 2012-07-23 07:20:53

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Re: What do you think?

It answers that B is correct about there being a solution.


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#1757 2012-07-23 07:36:16

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Re: What do you think?

This is what B stated and now must back up:

B wrote:

you can find a solution almost by inspection and then using some simple computational moves the smallest one.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1758 2012-07-23 08:05:28

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Re: What do you think?

But maybe I am not skillful enough to find the answer by inspection.


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#1759 2012-07-23 08:09:11

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Re: What do you think?

Hmmmm. You must try harder then or leave the problem be.

Fall seven times, stand up eight!

Act as if ye had faith and faith will be given to thee.

Everything you need is already inside.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1760 2012-07-24 03:12:00

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym,

New Problem:

Can you find any n quickly and then the smallest one?


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#1761 2012-07-24 03:21:17

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Re: What do you think?

Hi gAr;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1762 2012-07-24 08:00:36

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I got it by the same method and you told me it's no good!


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#1763 2012-07-24 08:14:09

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1764 2012-07-24 08:25:38

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Re: What do you think?

Well, you always say it doesn't mattr what the method is as long as it gets the correct answer.


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#1765 2012-07-24 08:35:01

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Re: What do you think?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1766 2012-07-24 08:42:53

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Re: What do you think?

Hi bobbym

The method I used will probably be faster than any other except guessing it correctly immidiately.


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#1767 2012-07-24 08:57:47

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Nope! B's method immediately homed in on a solution that is

35043672082151596000562013646554249747173744041549971359136253210058333463455988816491699497781669818090909810065784792552487803283621288977254260041945321239269929980724446018125644184621818685445212199208623710232952316234281228342918450660581034575270942523672830093855764273660585130143502809804334564946548826542674146536076413918355980170041778938849942752438624528710922050964741340614890818328727010131583178790913574280719645905506650981922004784128865548846046491103471968279137936893651588472331232310782026899350085821939406112295530315889920873782600994067218122342372737188206790004722469852522316276749695437709165150929462121063333938945996375533495500665183936172196559211858176448010632446343204380820 times smaller than yours! It also only took 4 seconds!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1768 2012-07-24 10:12:45

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Re: What do you think?

What is his method?


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#1769 2012-07-24 10:20:09

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1770 2012-07-24 11:07:09

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Re: What do you think?

How is that guessing?!?!

And you also used the same theorem we used.


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#1771 2012-07-24 17:10:42

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Re: What do you think?

I never said guessing was involved. I said almost by inspection. You got 9^1004 -1 that is not the same as 9^502 - 1.
Also you never mentioned what method you used.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1772 2012-07-25 00:45:43

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Re: What do you think?

It os not the same, but you got ut by the same method.


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#1773 2012-07-25 00:47:40

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Re: What do you think?

Hmmmm? I am not following you.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#1774 2012-07-25 00:48:35

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Re: What do you think?

*is *it.

You got your answer by the same method.


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#1775 2012-07-25 00:50:09

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Uhhhhh, I still do not know what you are saying.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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