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You are not logged in. #101 20120714 02:13:56
Re: So this is what was happeningHi bobbym The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #102 20120714 02:15:08
Re: So this is what was happeningHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #103 20120714 02:21:33
Re: So this is what was happeningAre you talking about Last edited by anonimnystefy (20120714 02:21:47) The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #104 20120714 02:26:32
Re: So this is what was happeningHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #105 20120714 02:38:56
Re: So this is what was happeningHi bobbym The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #106 20120714 02:43:12
Re: So this is what was happeningOne is the solution in the thread and the other is to gAr's problem in that thread. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #107 20120714 02:51:45
Re: So this is what was happeningWhat is your solution for 5 dice? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #108 20120714 02:53:13
Re: So this is what was happeningWhich series are we going to discuss from now on? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #109 20120714 02:58:12
Re: So this is what was happening
What do you get as the answer for these two for 5 dice throws. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #110 20120714 03:05:23
Re: So this is what was happeningHi; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #111 20120714 03:08:09
Re: So this is what was happeningWouldn't you expect to get a greater answer for the second one than for the first one? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #112 20120714 03:11:25
Re: So this is what was happeningNo, the second one is pairwise the first is the whole list minus the second list. I expect the first one to be larger. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #113 20120714 04:44:09
Re: So this is what was happeningBut if you look at both pairwise, the first one can both increase and decrease, but the second one can only increase, so I would expect the second one to be greater. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #114 20120714 06:01:39
Re: So this is what was happeningThe pairwise one can never be greater than 5. The other? Who knows! In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #115 20120714 06:12:49
Re: So this is what was happeningWhat about The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #116 20120714 06:20:35
Re: So this is what was happeningThat is why I did not want to discuss two sums. That sum does not exist so why are we talking about it? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #117 20120714 06:38:12
Re: So this is what was happeningWhich sum? The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #118 20120714 06:39:25
Re: So this is what was happeningThe pairwise sum. That one comes from the problem. It is an average value. It is <=5. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #119 20120714 06:41:52
Re: So this is what was happeningThere is no reason for it to be <=5. Only the summands are <=5. The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #120 20120714 06:46:40
Re: So this is what was happening6  1 = 5. That is the biggest difference. If you add up a ton of numbers that are 5 or less their average will be 5 or less. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #121 20120714 06:50:01
Re: So this is what was happeningBut we don't take the average of the differences! The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #122 20120714 06:53:02
Re: So this is what was happeningYes we do. The original problem was an average. gAr and I agreed on that. The series you came up with here is something else. It has nothing to do with either problem. Why discuss it all? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #123 20120714 06:57:27
Re: So this is what was happeningHi bobbym The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment #124 20120714 06:59:45
Re: So this is what was happeningHmmm. Which problem? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #125 20120714 07:11:17
Re: So this is what was happeningWhat did you get 4.31 for? Last edited by anonimnystefy (20120714 07:11:26) The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't. “It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman “Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment 