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#101 2012-07-13 04:13:56

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Hi bobbym

I am getting 15.


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#102 2012-07-13 04:15:08

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Re: So this is what was happening

Hi;

The correct answer is about 4.3


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#103 2012-07-13 04:21:33

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Are you talking about

or
?

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#104 2012-07-13 04:26:32

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Hi;

For the first the answer is 4.37

For the second the answer is 1.94


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#105 2012-07-13 04:38:56

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Hi bobbym

How did you get that?


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#106 2012-07-13 04:43:12

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One is the solution in the thread and the other is to gAr's problem in that thread.


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#107 2012-07-13 04:51:45

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What is your solution for 5 dice?


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#108 2012-07-13 04:53:13

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Which series are we going to discuss from now on?


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#109 2012-07-13 04:58:12

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anonimnystefy wrote:

Are you talking about

or
?

What do you get as the answer for these two for 5 dice throws.


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#110 2012-07-13 05:05:23

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Hi;

4.31 and 1.94. These are simulation answers.


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#111 2012-07-13 05:08:09

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Wouldn't you expect to get a greater answer for the second one than for the first one?


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#112 2012-07-13 05:11:25

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No, the second one is pairwise the first is the whole list minus the second list. I expect the first one to be larger.


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#113 2012-07-13 06:44:09

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But if you look at both pairwise, the first one can both increase and decrease, but the second one can only increase, so I would expect the second one to be greater.


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#114 2012-07-13 08:01:39

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The pairwise one can never be greater than 5. The other? Who knows!


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#115 2012-07-13 08:12:49

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What about

(1,6)
(1,6)
(1,6)
(1,6)
(1,6)

The sum is 30!


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#116 2012-07-13 08:20:35

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That is why I did not want to discuss two sums. That sum does not exist so why are we talking about it?


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#117 2012-07-13 08:38:12

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Which sum?


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#118 2012-07-13 08:39:25

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The pairwise sum. That one comes from the problem. It is an average value. It is <=5.


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#119 2012-07-13 08:41:52

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There is no reason for it to be <=5. Only the summands are <=5.


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#120 2012-07-13 08:46:40

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6 - 1 = 5. That is the biggest difference. If you add up a ton of numbers that are 5 or less their average will be 5 or less.


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#121 2012-07-13 08:50:01

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But we don't take the average of the differences!


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#122 2012-07-13 08:53:02

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Yes we do. The original problem was an average. gAr and I agreed on that. The series you came up with here is something else. It has nothing to do with either problem. Why discuss it all?


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#123 2012-07-13 08:57:27

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Hi bobbym

Anyway, my GF needs only slight modification to solve gAr's problem.


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#124 2012-07-13 08:59:45

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Hmmm. Which problem?


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#125 2012-07-13 09:11:17

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What did you get 4.31 for?

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