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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Heres a geometry problem Ive just made up by myself.

Let O be a fixed point. Let Q be a variable point such that the length of OQ is less than or equal to 2*a*, where *a* is a fixed positive real number. Now let P and R be points satisfying the following conditions:

(i) OQPRO is a rectangle.

(ii) If PQ is shifted parallel to itself to P′Q′ such that P′Q′ and PR mutually bisect each other, then PP′RQ′P is a rhombus with sides of length *a*.

**Prove that the locus of P is a circle of radius 2 a.**

Im sure it works. Still, if you find any problem with my problem, do let me know.

*Last edited by JaneFairfax (2007-08-19 23:20:35)*

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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Here are six red points.

Is that what you mean?

I only used up 279 bytes

on that small pic!!

The lower-center red dot

is Q prime, unmarked as such.

**igloo** **myrtilles** **fourmis**

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Thats right. I should have provided a diagram anyway, so here it is.

|P′Q′| = |PQ|

|PP′| = |P′R| = |RQ′| = |Q′P| = *a*

|OQ| ≤ 2*a*

Note that P can be below OQ as well, and that Q can also be to the left of O. Indeed, Q can be anywhere within a distance of 2*a* of O but for the purpose of analysis, we can assume WLOG that OQ is horizontal.

*Last edited by JaneFairfax (2007-08-21 23:52:07)*

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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What's a locus? Is it a geometry term?

**igloo** **myrtilles** **fourmis**

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**landof+****Member**- Registered: 2007-03-24
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That may be of some use.

I shall be on leave until I say so...

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Bumping this because after two and a half years nobody appears to have a solution yet.

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**123ronnie321****Member**- Registered: 2010-09-28
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I am using your figure to solve this.

let the midpoint of PR be M

Let OQ = t < 2a

Let PQ = k.

PQ = P`Q` = k = 2P'M

PR = OQ = t = 2PM

PM^2 + P`M^2 = P`P^2 = a^2 ... Pythagoras theorem

therefore, k^2 + t^2 = (2a)^2. which is a circle if we make the following assumptions-

Let OQ act like x axis and and OR as Y axis.

Co ordinates of pt P are k,t.

*Last edited by 123ronnie321 (2010-11-23 00:49:12)*

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi Jane,

I haven't been ignoring your problem since 2007. I've only been a member for 6 months or so.

So thanks for bringing back into attention.

See my two diagrams below. I set up what I thought was the right diagram and took the first screen shot. Then I moved Q left a bit and all that happened was moved the same amount (second half of shot).

Would you mind repeating the construction rules.

Mystified Bob

You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi Jane Fairfax,

Ok, so I hadn't read the problem properly. Now I have.

Bob

*Last edited by bob bundy (2010-11-22 01:07:53)*

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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Hi, Ronnie and Bob.

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Hi Jane

I thought I'd already proved it in post 10.

Bob

You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself..........Galileo Galilei

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