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#28 Re: This is Cool » INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 PROOF By,Anthony.R.Brown,15/01/07. » 2007-02-03 02:11:10

Anthony.R.Brown wrote:

We don't need to try and reach an end! we have the Number 1 for That!

Defining precise concepts is important, so why don't you write a paper on this subject, a well structured document with your ideas, theorems, proofs and beliefs?

But if you want to label it "Mathematics" it must be consistent with existing axioms, theorems, lemmas, etc. Anyway, I would like to see your theory in a formal way so we can discuss what you say with correctness and logical basis.

#29 Re: This is Cool » INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 PROOF By,Anthony.R.Brown,15/01/07. » 2007-02-03 01:59:50

Anthony.R.Brown wrote:

Now! I see everyone is starting to understand what I and others have been saying!

" IF TWO NUMBERS START WITH A DIFFERENCE IN THEIR VALUES! AND BOTH ARE MULTIPLIED BY THE SAME AMOUNT! ONE VALUE WILL ALWAYS BE GREATER THAN THE OTHER!! "

A.R.B

let x, y, Δ ∈ R so that y = x + Δ, Δ>0

x < x + Δ
x < y

now let k ∈ R.

case k<0:

x < y
k x > k y
k x > k x + k Δ
0 > k Δ => Δ > 0 True

case k > 0:

x < y
k x < k y
k x < k x + k Δ
0 < k Δ => Δ > 0 True

case k = 0

x < y
0 x = 0 = 0 y

Yes, this is true, except the trivial case, k=0.

#30 Re: This is Cool » INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 PROOF By,Anthony.R.Brown,15/01/07. » 2007-02-03 00:20:49

George,Y wrote:

how can you reach endless? Or how can you produce endless?

You can "reach the unreachable" with Limits from good old friend Calculus, and that's all we need to understand that 0.(9) = 1 or some other anti-common-sense equality. "reach" in the sense of "getting really close to".

Anthony.R.Brown wrote:

INFINITE 0.9 <> 1 PROOF By,Anthony.R.Brown,02/02/07.

0.(9) "doesn't exist on the paper", only on our minds because it is a limit. A limit of something. An infinite sum's limit of very small things like 0.009, 0.000009, 0.0000000000000000000009... and it gets smaller as we add up terms. So you can't write it down with a pen, because there is always another term. In the paper, you never reach 0.(9).

it is true that 0.9 <> 1
and 0.99 <> 1
and 0.999 <> 1
and ...etc

but this way you never, never, ever reach 0.(9) = 0.999999999..(inf. # of 9's)

To build the "numeric amount" 0.(9) you need and infinite sum, Limits are implicit here, because you can only know "what are we getting close to" when adding 0.9+0.09+0.009+(...). When you write 0.9+0.09+0.009+... on a paper you are implicitly summing and infinite number of terms, and limits are involved again, even if you don't notice them.

When we mess around with infinity strange things happen, like 0.(9) = 1, lengths become areas, areas become volumes, mass densities becomes masses.. and we enter the mighty world of infinitesimal calculus ^^

It's natural, we sometimes want to explore things our way and create our rules. But later we understand that our efforts were an attempt to reinvent something that already was well-studied and properly defined.

#31 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-02-02 01:59:44

Dross wrote:

Ah, the irony! I opened up Wikipedia to find that the subject of this thread is also the topic of their article of the day tongue

Have a gander at the main page, or the article itself if you're not reading this today.

And yes, I know - "just because it's on the internet doesn't make it true". But seriously, if you disagree with 0.999... = 1, have a look at the article. A REAL look and really READ it - it may just clarify something you didn't even think was important, or didn't think to think about at all. Or it may just be explained in a way that you "get".

People need to have a deeper understanding of series before accepting that 0.9... == 1  wink

It happened with me ;p

#32 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-01-26 02:15:11

Anthony.R.Brown wrote:

To kylekatarn

QUOTE:

" 1 = 1.0 = 1.00 = 1.000 = ... = 1.(0) "

ARB

or Better!!

That's a Repeating 0

...and it's beautiful, isn't it? ^^

#33 Re: This is Cool » 0.9999....(recurring) = 1? » 2007-01-26 00:45:11

Anthony.R.Brown wrote:

To Ricky!

Quote:

"1.0

It has a decimal point."

ARB

But it,s not a Repeating Decimal Point!

1 = 1.0 = 1.00 = 1.000 = ... = 1.(0)
roflol

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