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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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A very long-winded Introduction to Derivatives

And a shorter Derivatives as dy/dx

Could someone please check them for validity?

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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Nice pages! Very well explained, and you've got first principles in there as well.

One small thing: When you're finding the derivative of x², I would personally cancel Δ's on the numerator and denominator before starting to neglect things because they're close to 0.

Neglecting Δx² but not Δx seems a bit illogical if you're doing it that way around. Maybe that's just my taste.

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**ganesh****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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Nice pages. No errors spotted when rushed through. Derivatives of other functions from first principles can be added, and Sinx, and other trignometric functions.

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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mathsyperson wrote:

One small thing: When you're finding the derivative of x², I would personally cancel Δ's on the numerator and denominator before starting to neglect things because they're close to 0....

I agree ... have updated. What do you think?

And thanks, ganesh, will try to add another page with lots of "derivations of derivatives" ... using dx notation?

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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Pretty nice!!

Now, just food for thought, think about 0/0 being about 1, or undefined.

Then look at your simplification after this quote:

"The first thing we can do is simplify it, because Δx is at both the top and bottom:"

Looks like delta x over delta x is one to me!!

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Yes, it is! But remember, Δx cannot be zero

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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Ah, but MathIsFun, what *if* Δx was 0? Then it must be that Δf(x) is also 0, no matter what the function. So the question we are asking is "What is the slope of a single point of any function?" if we consider Δf(x)/Δx. And the answer to this, which happens to be the same as the answer to 0/0, is indeterminate. Because a function can have any slope at a single point.

Gotta love how two independant lines of thought wind up giving precisely the same answer. Gotta love math.

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