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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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I am still working on creating some pages on Limits, and along the way I made this page:

Is it correct? And easy? And enough?

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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I am thinking of adding that you can also work out the Degree by taking the limit of log(f(x))/log(x) as x goes to infinity.

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**lightning****Real Member**- Registered: 2007-02-26
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its fine and i tottaly agree (top one)

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**Toast****Real Member**- Registered: 2006-10-08
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Nice job on that page, I never knew about the fractions thing. Well... there isn't really much to talk about regarding degree apart from what you've already said... and perhaps that limit thing... so yeah

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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I agree with Toast. You've pretty much said everything you can say about degree, and explained it very well.

I'm not sure whether you should include the bit about loggy limits, because it's on a substantially higher level than the rest of the page.

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Thanks People!

Have a look now, I added "loggy limits" ... should I keep it?

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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Hey, just thought I might mention. I recall reading that in multivariable equations, the degree of each term is the sum of the exponants of the variables in the term, and the degree of the expression or equation is equal to the degree of its highest degree term.

At least thats what I recall. I might have forgotten the precise definiton.

A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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So, xy would be order 2 then? That makes sense.

I think the loggy limits addition looks good. I was a bit worried that it would be too advanced, but it's explained very well so people could probably follow along anyway. I was confused by your example for a bit before I realised that you were using logs with base e, but that's probably just me. I usually use log = log(10) and ln = log(e).

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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So, xy would be order 2 then? That makes sense.

especially if you consider a system of equations such as xy = 2 and y = 2x + 3, substituting you get y = 4/y + 3 which becomes y^2 - 3y - 4 = 0 which is obviously a 2nd degree equation.

A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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mathsyperson wrote:

I usually use log = log(10) and ln = log(e).

Is that because you were mostly taught that? Do you think I will also confuse most people?

(PS: there does seem to be conflicting standards on this!)

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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Hmm... in my math books "ln" was always used for base e, and "log" was assumed to be base 10 when no base was given. However, in programming "log" itself tends to go by base e. So I guess it depends on what you're familiar with. At any rate, I think people from both fields will recognize "ln" so maybe you should use that. Or at least display what base you are using.

A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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MathsIsFun wrote:

mathsyperson wrote:I usually use log = log(10) and ln = log(e).

Is that because you were mostly taught that?

Pretty much. That's what I was taught when I was first introduced to logs, and I've just stuck to it. I don't know which is used most throughout the world though.

Don't worry too much, anyone who knows enough about logs to understand that section will be able to figure out what base you're using pretty quickly.

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**Zhylliolom****Real Member**- Registered: 2005-09-05
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In "advanced" texts I notice that "log" is used instead of "ln". I'm not sure why they don't save themselves a letter and stick with "tradition", but I can see how they justify replacing the base 10 log notation with base e: base 10 logarithms just aren't that commonly used farther down the road. I think that ln is the clearest notation though. Is ln used in England?

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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I'm from England, so yes.

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