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#1 2016-08-25 14:06:12

Zeeshan 01
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Help log integration

Hi
Integral ln|x+3| range from 5 to -1 how solve this please help how we work with absolute value


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#2 2016-08-25 14:53:14

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Re: Help log integration

Hi;

how we work with absolute value

One idea is to just get rid of it. In the interval of integration -1 to 5, log(abs(x+3)) = log(x+3)


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#3 2016-08-25 17:27:25

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Re: Help log integration

Hi Zeeshan 01,
For absolute values first you have to find out which expression for which domain.
In this case,
|x+3| = -x-3 for -∞ <x <=-3
          =x+3  for  -3<=x<-∞
In this it falls in the second part of the domain but suppose the intgration is from -5 to -1 then

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#4 2016-08-25 19:12:06

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Re: Help log integration

|x+3| = -x-3 for -∞ <x <=-3 please.explain it


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#5 2016-08-25 19:26:36

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Re: Help log integration

By definition |x+3|= x+3 if  x+3>0 i.e. x>-3 and
                            =-(x+3) if  x+3<0 i.e. x<-3


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#6 2016-08-26 01:40:59

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Re: Help log integration

i understand absolute values that if |x+3|= x+3 if  x+3>0 but how 3 comes.in. your interval

and how we work with it i know how to take definite intervals but this question i dont understand properly


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#7 2016-08-26 02:46:56

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x+3>0
x+3-3>-3 by subtracting 3 from both sides.
x>-3
Is it O.K.?


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#8 2016-08-26 14:13:34

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Re: Help log integration

ok thx


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#9 2016-08-26 14:15:31

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i m not asking about this i m asking how ro put intervals.in intrgral


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#10 2016-08-26 14:25:20

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Re: Help log integration

What do you mean? Put them in latex? Solve the integral with them?


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#11 2016-08-27 02:02:28

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no you dont understand my question i am asking i give interval from 5 to -1 how its intervals become -3 to -5 and -1 to -3 as mention above plz tell


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#12 2016-08-27 02:49:12

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Re: Help log integration

Do you understand my answer in post #2?


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#13 2016-08-27 14:07:34

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but in our book thick head method used


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#14 2016-08-27 15:12:24

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I would just drop the abs, since you do not like that way you will have to wait.


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#15 2016-08-27 18:15:13

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Zeeshan 01 wrote:

no you dont understand my question i am asking i give interval from 5 to -1 how its intervals become -3 to -5 and -1 to -3 as mention above plz tell

Hi zeeshan 01,
I was giving you a hypothetical case.
In your case x from 5 to -1 , -3 never comes in. |x+3| remains x+3 throughout your interval. Sorry for any confusion caused to you.Bobbym's view is perfect and to the point. Please follow him.

is what you should have.

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#16 2016-08-27 22:47:14

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Re: Help log integration

Ok thx but if question is ln|x-3| I DO SAME work????


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#17 2016-08-28 01:24:26

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#18 2016-08-28 19:21:28

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thx can you explain.it


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#19 2016-08-28 20:04:03

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In the domain (-1,5) |x+3|=x+3 That is all.


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