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## #1 2016-08-25 14:06:12

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Hi
Integral ln|x+3| range from 5 to -1 how solve this please help how we work with absolute value

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## #2 2016-08-25 14:53:14

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Hi;

how we work with absolute value

One idea is to just get rid of it. In the interval of integration -1 to 5, log(abs(x+3)) = log(x+3)

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## #3 2016-08-25 17:27:25

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Hi Zeeshan 01,
For absolute values first you have to find out which expression for which domain.
In this case,
|x+3| = -x-3 for -∞ <x <=-3
=x+3  for  -3<=x<-∞
In this it falls in the second part of the domain but suppose the intgration is from -5 to -1 then

Last edited by thickhead (2016-08-25 17:28:37)

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## #4 2016-08-25 19:12:06

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|x+3| = -x-3 for -∞ <x <=-3 please.explain it

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## #5 2016-08-25 19:26:36

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By definition |x+3|= x+3 if  x+3>0 i.e. x>-3 and
=-(x+3) if  x+3<0 i.e. x<-3

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## #6 2016-08-26 01:40:59

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i understand absolute values that if |x+3|= x+3 if  x+3>0 but how 3 comes.in. your interval

and how we work with it i know how to take definite intervals but this question i dont understand properly

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## #7 2016-08-26 02:46:56

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x+3>0
x+3-3>-3 by subtracting 3 from both sides.
x>-3
Is it O.K.?

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## #8 2016-08-26 14:13:34

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ok thx

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## #9 2016-08-26 14:15:31

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## #10 2016-08-26 14:25:20

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What do you mean? Put them in latex? Solve the integral with them?

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## #11 2016-08-27 02:02:28

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no you dont understand my question i am asking i give interval from 5 to -1 how its intervals become -3 to -5 and -1 to -3 as mention above plz tell

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## #12 2016-08-27 02:49:12

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Do you understand my answer in post #2?

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## #13 2016-08-27 14:07:34

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but in our book thick head method used

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## #14 2016-08-27 15:12:24

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I would just drop the abs, since you do not like that way you will have to wait.

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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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## #15 2016-08-27 18:15:13

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Zeeshan 01 wrote:

no you dont understand my question i am asking i give interval from 5 to -1 how its intervals become -3 to -5 and -1 to -3 as mention above plz tell

Hi zeeshan 01,
I was giving you a hypothetical case.
In your case x from 5 to -1 , -3 never comes in. |x+3| remains x+3 throughout your interval. Sorry for any confusion caused to you.Bobbym's view is perfect and to the point. Please follow him.

is what you should have.

Last edited by thickhead (2016-08-27 18:18:53)

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## #16 2016-08-27 22:47:14

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Ok thx but if question is ln|x-3| I DO SAME work????

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## #17 2016-08-28 01:24:26

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## #18 2016-08-28 19:21:28

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thx can you explain.it

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## #19 2016-08-28 20:04:03

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