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cooljackiec

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Floor functions

{a} denotes the fractional part of a

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anonimnystefy

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Re: Floor functions

Are you meant to solve it?

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cooljackiec

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Re: Floor functions

Yes

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cooljackiec

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Re: Floor functions

Bump

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Olinguito

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Re: Floor functions

No solution.

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Olinguito

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Re: Floor functions

Here's an algebraic proof. For all x,

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Bob

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Re: Floor functions

hi Olinguito

Graph.  Excellent idea.  But I'm puzzled about that proof.  What am I missing?

OK, I like that.

Eh?  x = 2.5 => (FLOOR(x^2)+5)/4 = 2.75 yet x^2 + 1 = 7.25

Bob

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Olinguito

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Re: Floor functions

Oops, I did it wrong.

Back to the drawing board.

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Olinguito

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Re: Floor functions

Okay, this should work. For all x,

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(Fractional parts cannot be neagative.)

for all x.

Is this better, Bob?

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Bob

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Re: Floor functions

hi Olinguito

Yes; that looks good to me.

Strictly, as you have one thing ≥ x and another ≥ 0, when you add them you get (one thing + another) ≥ x

But that is easily remedied.

Equality occurs at x = 2, so check what happens there.

(floor(2^2)+5)/4 = (4+5)/4 = 2.25.  So this is the closest you can get to the graphs crossing.  This shows it:

Thanks for the answer.  One wonders why the question was set like this.

Bob

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Olinguito

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Re: Floor functions

Strictly, as you have one thing ≥ x and another ≥ 0, when you add them you get (one thing + another) ≥ x

No, I have the first thing > x and the other ≥ 0.

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Bob

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Re: Floor functions

Oh yes.  Didn't spot that.  You're right.    Apologies.    I'm 'ticking' myself off here.

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cooljackiec

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Re: Floor functions

Why did you guys remove {x}

How do u solve this?

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Bob

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Re: Floor functions

hi cooljackiec,

{x} = x^2 - floor(x^2), so it has not been lost.  This is simply a way to graph the left hand side of the equation using available functions.

{fractional part} = <whole> minus <integer part>.

Olinguito has shown that you cannot find values of x to fit this equation.  The solution is "no values".

Bob

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Olinguito

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Re: Floor functions

Why did you guys remove {x}

Sorry, it was a typo. I've put it back in post #9.

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