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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I had to trick it into getting an answer. Those are pretty tough integrals.

Where do those problems come from?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes, they are tough. What trick did you perform?

You have been there before: http://people.missouristate.edu/lesreid/Adv97.html

(b) was a part I did thinking the answer would be same as (a)

Will be back soon.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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For one thing an assumption was necessary for theta and both integrals had to be done in pieces. For some reason this did the trick.

Forgot that place or lost the link.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I see..

It's delightful to work on such problems.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I agree. But they can be trying too.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.**

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That's true, many things can go wrong here.

Simulation helps a ton!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It sure does but sometimes even coming up with a simulation is difficult and time consuming.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yeah, sometimes, particularly when involving a geometrical shape instead of just points and lines.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The circle is very tricky. I had to write new routines for generating points inside and on the circle that have the right distribution. It took a long time but next time I will be better prepared.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Mark H. told me how to get the points.

r^2 must be uniformly distributed in [0,a^2]. Then take the root of the generated values.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

What is that for?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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'a' is the given radius (In our problem, a=1). 'r' is the distance of P from center.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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So you used the square root of the random number you got from the uniform distribution twice to get (x,y)?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Not twice, y can be fixed to 0.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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But if you wanted to fill the circle with that idea you would have to use it for both (x,y)?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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To fill a circle, obtain random angles in [0, 2π), then the points would be (r cos θ, r sin θ).

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

That is close to what I did to. I will see you later, Thanks for the problems!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, see you later.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi gAr

You're right. I misread the problem and thought the P is a point **on** the circle.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi anonimnystefy,

Okay.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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New problem:

** There are two fair, six sided dice. 'A' throws a die till she gets a sequence of '11'. 'B' throws the other die till he gets a sequence of '12'.What is the probability that A throws the die more number of times than B?**

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi bobbym,

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

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