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**evinda****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-13
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Hi!!

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I have this regular expession and have to draw the DFA..But I haven't understood which language is meant..Could you give me a hint?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I know what a regular expression is but I have no idea how to use it with cellular automata.

Have you tried the Stack Exchange or Stack Overflow?

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**evinda****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-13
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bobbym wrote:

Hi;

I know what a regular expression is but I have no idea how to use it with cellular automata.

Have you tried the Stack Exchange or Stack Overflow?

I found similar questions with helpful answers there!Thanks for the hint

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi evinda

Am getting a DFA with 5 states.

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**evinda****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-13
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anonimnystefy wrote:

Hi evinda

Am getting a DFA with 5 states.

I tried to draw a DFA and I also got one with 5 states!!!!

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Below is what I am getting.

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**evinda****Member**- Registered: 2013-04-13
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anonimnystefy wrote:

Below is what I am getting.

I got a similar!!! Thank you very much!!!!

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi evinda,

I understood the language to be

Since there are algorithms to convert from RE to NFA to DFA to minimized DFA, someone has written a software for that: JFLAP

Enter the RE as: 1*(00+010+!)(01)*

edit: corrected the RE

*Last edited by gAr (2013-12-17 04:07:02)*

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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1. After entering the RE, choose convert->"convert to NFA"

2. "Do All" and "export"

3. Convert->"convert to DFA" and "complete" and "Done"

4. Convert->"minimize DFA". Select root of the tree and "complete subtree", and "Finish"

5. Click "complete" and "Done"

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I was unable to upload earlier, this is the DFA I got.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Where did you get the third Kleene star from?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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My bad, here is the diagram we get for the corrected expression.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Doesn't that DFA also accept 0101?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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It's expected since we can choose

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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We can chose epsilon only once...

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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epsilon from 1* and next epsilon from (00+010+!)

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