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#1 2013-12-14 22:12:22

evinda
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Regular expression

Hi!!

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I have this regular expession and have to draw the DFA..But I haven't understood which language is meant..Could you give me a hint? hmm

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#2 2013-12-15 04:07:54

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Re: Regular expression

Hi;

I know what a regular expression is but I have no idea how to use it with cellular automata.

Have you tried the Stack Exchange or Stack Overflow?


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#3 2013-12-16 07:30:50

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Re: Regular expression

bobbym wrote:

Hi;

I know what a regular expression is but I have no idea how to use it with cellular automata.

Have you tried the Stack Exchange or Stack Overflow?

I found similar questions with helpful answers there!Thanks for the hint wink

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#4 2013-12-16 08:34:18

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Re: Regular expression

Hi evinda

Am getting a DFA with 5 states.


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#5 2013-12-16 09:29:50

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Re: Regular expression

anonimnystefy wrote:

Hi evinda

Am getting a DFA with 5 states.

I tried to draw a DFA and I also got one with 5 states!!!!

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#6 2013-12-16 10:08:29

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Re: Regular expression

Below is what I am getting.

View Image: DFA1.png

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#7 2013-12-16 10:45:24

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Re: Regular expression

anonimnystefy wrote:

Below is what I am getting.

I got a similar!!! smile Thank you very much!!!! wink

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#8 2013-12-16 23:49:58

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Re: Regular expression

Hi evinda,

I understood the language to be

Since there are algorithms to convert from RE to NFA to DFA to minimized DFA, someone has written a software for that: JFLAP

Enter the RE as: 1*(00+010+!)(01)*

edit: corrected the RE

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#9 2013-12-17 00:17:29

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Re: Regular expression

1. After entering the RE, choose convert->"convert to NFA"
2. "Do All" and "export"
3.  Convert->"convert to DFA" and "complete" and "Done"
4. Convert->"minimize DFA". Select root of the tree and "complete subtree", and "Finish"
5. Click "complete" and "Done"


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#10 2013-12-17 02:24:34

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Re: Regular expression

I was unable to upload earlier, this is the DFA I got.

View Image: mindfa.png

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#11 2013-12-17 03:04:10

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Re: Regular expression

Where did you get the third Kleene star from?


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#12 2013-12-17 04:05:54

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Re: Regular expression

My bad, here is the diagram we get for the corrected expression.

View Image: mindfa2.png

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#13 2013-12-17 04:24:26

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Re: Regular expression

Doesn't that DFA also accept 0101?


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#14 2013-12-17 04:42:48

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Re: Regular expression

It's expected since we can choose


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#15 2013-12-17 07:36:54

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Re: Regular expression

We can chose epsilon only once...


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#16 2013-12-17 15:16:29

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Re: Regular expression

epsilon from 1* and next epsilon from (00+010+!)


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