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#51 2013-12-13 05:40:43

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

But the Wronkian should be nonzero..So,what do I have to do??

#52 2013-12-13 05:43:02

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

I do not know why it should be non zero.

Did you compute the Wronskian?

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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#53 2013-12-13 05:48:00

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

bobbym wrote:

I do not know why it should be non zero.

Did you compute the Wronskian?

Because there is a theorem that says that if two solutions of a differential equation are linearly independent,their Wronskian is nonzero!!!

#54 2013-12-13 05:54:48

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How do you know the two solutions are linearly independent?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

#55 2013-12-13 06:57:13

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

bobbym wrote:

How do you know the two solutions are linearly independent?

Because the exercise says that v1,v2 are solutions of the differential equation so that

is not constant..So,
.So,
...

#56 2013-12-13 07:13:08

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

That is true but have you used the solutions to compute the wronskian?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

#57 2013-12-13 07:37:03

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bobbym wrote:

That is true but have you used the solutions to compute the wronskian?

Can't I just write that the Wronskian is equal to:
| v_{1}(0)  (v_{1}(0))'  |
| v_{2}(0)  (v_{2}(0))'  |

Do you mean that I have to solve the differential equation that is given for

and
?

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#58 2013-12-13 09:52:48

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

Of course you do, but you already got the solution to DE earlier.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

#59 2013-12-14 08:37:07

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

bobbym wrote:

Of course you do, but you already got the solution to DE earlier.

But then don't we find that v1(x)=v2(x) ? Or not? I haven't understood...

#60 2013-12-14 08:54:31

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That is what I am saying. If there is only one solution. Is there another solution?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

#61 2013-12-14 10:18:19

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

bobbym wrote:

That is what I am saying. If there is only one solution. Is there another solution?

There should be..because v1 and v2 are linearly independent

#62 2013-12-14 10:20:41

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What is the other solution?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

#63 2013-12-14 10:26:53

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

There are infinitely many solutions.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
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#64 2013-12-14 10:29:15

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Re: Wronskian use identities !

Yes but when you plug them into that determinant they are going to become 0.

We have no particular solution just a 1 general one. To continue with this route he will need 2 different general solutions.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.