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#51 2013-11-15 22:22:36

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Re: Interesting Conversation

darn Good Question?

Nope, Darn Good Quote.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#52 2013-11-15 23:52:26

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Agnishom wrote:
stefy wrote:

Nobody is judging him. If he wants to express his ideas, he must be able to withstand constructive criticism of those who disagree.

The boy is not putting his emphasis on the last statement. He's emphasising on the fact that a scale is necessary

How is scale necessary?


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#53 2013-11-16 00:30:47

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When I am sending a letter to my house from a local area, I can use this address:
Agnishom, <House #> <Street Name>, <Pincode>

When I am sending a letter to my house from a different province, I have to use this address:
Agnishom, <House #> <Street Name>,  <Province>, <City> - <Pincode>

When I am sending a letter to my house from a different country, I have to use this address:
Agnishom, <House #> <Street Name>,  <Province>, <City> - <Pincode>, India, Asia

When I am sending a letter to my house from a different galaxy, I have to use this address:
Agnishom, <House #> <Street Name>,  <Province>, <City> - <Pincode>, India, Asia, Earth, Solar System,<....>, Milky Way

Not using the appropiate scale or precision will either result in the letter reaching in an incorrect area or unnecessary overloading of information which makes communication inefficient


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#54 2013-11-16 00:34:08

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Earth is Sol III in intergalactic communications. smile

But, the point is, on all those levels you do exist.

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#55 2013-11-16 00:36:24

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Nice to know that.

The point is to not find a point


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#56 2013-11-16 00:41:23

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Would not that make it pointless?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#57 2013-11-16 00:44:52

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Hi bobbym

Do you believe in fatalism/determinism?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#58 2013-11-16 00:46:53

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Fatalism is nonsense to the ole m'er. Determinism? Who knows.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#59 2013-11-16 00:47:57

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Well, the question is basically - Do you believe in free will.


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#60 2013-11-16 00:49:58

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Depends on what you are implying is free will. There are tasks that are clearly impossible, free will does not exist there. But for everything else we do.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#61 2013-11-16 00:51:53

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Re: Interesting Conversation

anonimnystefy wrote:

Hi bobbym

Do you believe in fatalism/determinism?

What are they?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#62 2013-11-16 00:53:18

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While the terms are often used interchangeably, fatalism, determinism, and predeterminism are discrete in stressing different aspects of the futility of human will or the foreordination of destiny. However, all these doctrines share common ground.

Determinists generally agree that human actions affect the future but that human action is itself determined by a causal chain of prior events. Their view does not accentuate a "submission" to fate or destiny, whereas fatalists stress an acceptance of future events as inevitable. Determinists believe the future is fixed specifically due to causality; fatalists and predeterminists believe that some or all aspects of the future are inescapable, but not necessarily due to causality.

Fatalism is a looser term than determinism. The presence of historical "indeterminisms" or chances, i.e. events that could not be predicted by sole knowledge of other events, is any idea still compatible with fatalism. Necessity (such as a law of nature) will happen just as inevitably as a chance—both can be imagined as sovereign.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#63 2013-11-16 00:53:43

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Hi Agnishom

Fatalism is the belief that the future is determined and that a man cannot change it. He always does what was supposed to do.

Determinism is the belief in absolute casuality.


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#64 2013-11-16 00:55:00

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What is casuality, again?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#65 2013-11-16 00:56:20

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Cause and effect.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#66 2013-11-16 00:57:09

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Causality is "if this happens, that happens as a consequence".


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#67 2013-11-16 01:04:19

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Well, the question is basically - Do you believe in free will.

It is the most basic attribute we have. M knows that.

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#68 2013-11-16 01:05:28

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Who is this M fellow? Do I know him?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#69 2013-11-16 01:08:02

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Okay, have you heard this story?

Story:
There were two brothers. One of them believed in efforts while the other believed in pure luck.
Because they always quarreled, they were sent to the king.
The king locked them up in a cell.

Now, as usual, the brother who believed in luck remained idle and did not do anything. He believed that he'll be saved, somehow.
On the other hand, the brother who believed in efforts kept thinking and exploring. After a while, he managed to find a shovel that was hidden in one of the corners of the cell. He dug a tunnel out of the cell after spending a lot of time and energy.

Finally, the two brothers escaped the cell through the tunnel.

Effort brother: Without my efforts, we would not have escaped.
Luck brother: See, I did nothing: yet, my luck gave me an way out.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#70 2013-11-16 01:20:03

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True enough.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#71 2013-11-16 01:22:36

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Did you hear that one before?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#72 2013-11-16 01:25:24

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Nope. Over here they say, I would rather be lucky than good. Some say the better I get the luckier I get.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#73 2013-11-16 13:02:04

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Re: Interesting Conversation

The following is another reason why I use the 'Interesting Conversation' phrase:

A girl with whom I was conversing over the internet was complaining because I couldn't make the conversation interesting. So, I changed the conversation name to "Interesting Conversation" and set the description as "This conversation is interesting". She could complain no more!


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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#74 2013-11-16 13:09:12

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I will try that too!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#75 2013-11-16 13:32:59

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Re: Interesting Conversation

Are you on facebook?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'You have made another human being happy. There is no greater accomplishment.' -bobbym

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