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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay.

"Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense" - Buddha?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I am getting a mean of about 3.023

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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According to the simulation, a guess would be 3ab / pi .

But when I calculate the integral as done for the triangle, I get 6ab / pi .

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Instead of running a simulation. Plot the 4 vertices a couple of dozen times. I think that will convince you that the answer is very close to 3.025

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Yes, I need to rethink the analytical way then.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, I need to rethink the analytical way then.

That is probably true. Looking at each quadrilateral created they were all simple and all had vertices on the ellipse. I have a geogebra demonstration too.

I have a chore to do so I will be offline for awhile. See you then.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Okay, see you later.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Any results yet?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Nothing other than the results I've told earlier.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I am having a little bit of trouble with it too.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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It's okay..

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am wondering why. Is it because there are many types of quadrilaterals?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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I'm not sure why.

Need to take a break, see you later.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Okay, see you later. Thanks for coming in.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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B is about to fly of on a plane. He's got his ticket, but, because of wasting time in the snack bar, he was the last passenger in the line for boarding the plane. He gets in line and, thinking about how long he'll have to wait, he remembers that the tickets for his plane, which holds a hundred passengers, have been sold out. He also notices that the first person in line is a stubborn, old lady from his neighborhood whose eyesight is not the best. He knows that she will enter the plane and take a random seat and also that each passenger after will take his own seat if it is free and a random seat if his own is taken. B is wandering what his chances are of sitting in his own seat.

Same problem was asked in brilliant by a member there!

https://brilliant.org/community-problem/lost-boarding-pass/?group=AaGVLnK0JXOo

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi gAr;

Probably got it while reading some book. It is a fairly standard problem.

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That's right, just saying.

Because I looked back here to enter the answer.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Where did you find it?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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Hi,

Find what?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The quote in post #2465. Where did you find it?

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**gAr****Member**- Registered: 2011-01-09
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That was asked by anonimnystefy in this thread.

Searched it using keywords: seat site:mathisfunforum.com

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I got it thanks.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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**New problem:**

**Hi;**

**A student is taking 4 courses and there is to be a test in each course next week (Monday to Friday). What is the probability that there will be at least two tests on the same day?**

**A says) 106 / 125**

**B says) 65 / 70**

**C says)100!, I ran a simulation.**

**D says) C's answer looks right...**

**E says) I like B's answer but am not sure. He made a few assumptions.**

**What answer do you like?**

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**ShivamS****Member**- Registered: 2011-02-07
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I like B's answer too, but I might be making a couple of assumptions.

*Last edited by ShivamS (2014-05-15 12:57:02)*

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