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Re: Cracking PRNGsHow are you accessing it on another machine? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #27 20131004 01:23:00
Re: Cracking PRNGsI am not. I was only considering a possibility 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #28 20131004 01:25:25
Re: Cracking PRNGsWithout seeing the code of the generator or at least seeing the output how can it be done? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #29 20131004 01:42:07
Re: Cracking PRNGsOK, I'll use my own computer. 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #30 20131004 01:47:45
Re: Cracking PRNGsPython uses a Mersenne Twister algorithm. It is completely deterministic but looking at the code there is a problem. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #31 20131004 01:58:44
Re: Cracking PRNGsWhat is deterministic? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #32 20131004 02:06:19
Re: Cracking PRNGsdeterministic  In computer science, a deterministic algorithm is an algorithm which, given a particular input, will always produce the same output. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #33 20131004 02:10:43
Re: Cracking PRNGswhere does the seed come from? _ 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #34 20131004 02:11:59
Re: Cracking PRNGsUsually from the internal clock but it can be user supplied. Without knowing it you will not know where in the sequence the rng is. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #35 20131004 02:13:52
Re: Cracking PRNGsHmm 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #36 20131004 02:20:36
Re: Cracking PRNGs
russian_roulette{ In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #37 20131004 02:24:34
Re: Cracking PRNGsOh! 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #38 20131004 02:27:46
Re: Cracking PRNGsThe period of the Mersenne twister is a number that is over 6000 digits long! In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #39 20131004 02:47:11
Re: Cracking PRNGsIs it possible to write an all powerful program that can crack *any* pseudorandomnumbergenerator by hook or by crook within finite time without needing any human being modifying it conciously? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #40 20131004 02:51:54
Re: Cracking PRNGsI do not think so. Each generator is different, has different statistical properties. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #41 20131004 02:57:01
Re: Cracking PRNGsWill that be possible if someone can convert bobbym's brain into a x86 program? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #42 20131004 02:59:21
Re: Cracking PRNGsbobbym's brain would not fit in a thimble. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #43 20131004 03:01:42
Re: Cracking PRNGsHow much space would it take? I have a 1 TB external hard disk 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #44 20131004 03:04:27
Re: Cracking PRNGsThat guy's brain could easily fit inside of a cooked lentil. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #45 20131004 03:09:33
Re: Cracking PRNGsHmm, Will you answer a question? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #46 20131004 03:12:48
Re: Cracking PRNGsThe question of the hard drive? In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #47 20131004 03:17:36
Re: Cracking PRNGsI was about to ask how can you manage to find a thread so quickly which contains a conversation you're thinking of 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #48 20131004 03:21:55
Re: Cracking PRNGsThat is sometimes impossible. I have a good memory for those types of things. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. #49 20131004 03:25:12
Re: Cracking PRNGsWhat is sometimes impossible? 'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.' 'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it' 'Who are you to judge everything?' Alokananda #50 20131004 03:26:36
Re: Cracking PRNGsFinding a thread. Unless you can remember specific words or phrases it is impossible. In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it. All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof. 