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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

A little more checking and it will be ready.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

The formula is reasonably safe but who knows?!

The sum that generates the coefficients is:

Where

balls = total number of balls

urn = number of urns

max = maximum number of balls in any urn.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Have you tested it?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Oh, and, a general formula for the line and squares problem:

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have tested it a great deal it will produce the coefficients of the gf.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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bobbym wrote:

New Problem:

E says)

The sum

I have this

, but I don't how much faster it is...Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

I didn't know of any acceleration method besides the RRA, and that one works for alternating sequences only, so I used one I found on Wolfram MathWorld.

What do you have?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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There are many other methods besides RRA. In addition, any series can be converted into an alternating one and then RRA or Euler applied.

A much better approach is this one mentioned in the Scheid book.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Which is in turn

, so it's 1/k^5 rate of convergence!Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That is true and the whole point but you had to see a trick first...

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Which trick?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The trick is how to sum that else you have replaced one cubic convergence with another. Do you see it?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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I do. Partial fractions and telescoping. It is what the page I found used. http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Convergenc … ement.html

Also, I found this quintic convergence series:

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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So you are only left with the sum on the extreme right and it has much faster convergence. Now you should numerically verify that.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Hi bobbym

I cheated and checked with M that it does actually get the right answer.

What I do not know is how do we estimate how many terms are needed for some accuracy?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Which sum do you want to do?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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All mentioned so far, starting with the first one (sum of 1/k^3)...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Corny questions that come up in math courses which ask how many terms you need are replaced by what does the sum converge to and to how many digits can we get.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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That does not answer my question of how to actually get the number of needed terms...

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am not following you. It is a computational problem. To get the terms you have to use a computer and add them up. Then you need a tail analysis, remember most of the time you do not know what the sum is.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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But, in the original problem, you said we need 80000 terms. How did you get that number?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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There are a couple of easy ways to back that statement up.First and simplest rule of thumb is the double rule.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Give me something concrete, please. I still haven't the slightest how to get that estimate.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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We can use the simplest command in M.

Sum[1/n^3, {n, 1, 40000}] // N

1.2020569028471022

Sum[1/n^3, {n, 1, 80000}] // N

1.2020569030814703

That is called the double method. Notice 8 digits passed the decimal point agree. You can expect the second answer is about accurate to 8 places.

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