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#26 2013-04-06 04:57:31

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Re: Mathematics jokes

it can be computed quickly enough and you will not need that table.


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#27 2013-04-06 05:00:09

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That sounds very wonderful. Music to ears.

How do you do that?


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#28 2013-04-06 05:02:03

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Re: Mathematics jokes

How big are your telephone numbers? I mean how many digits?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#29 2013-04-06 05:05:27

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10
Will you ask me to go for wolfram?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#30 2013-04-06 05:09:22

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Ever heard this story?

Cole announced a talk "On the Factorisation of Large Numbers".

He walked up to the blackboard without saying a word, calculated by hand the value of 2^67, carefully subtracted 1. Then he multiplied two numbers (which were 193707721 and 761838257287).
Both results written on the blackboard were equal. Cole silently walked back to his seat, and this is said to be the first and only talk held during an AMS meeting where the audience applauded. There were no questions.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#31 2013-04-06 05:13:04

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No, It just passed tangentially over my head


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#32 2013-04-06 05:16:13

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They were expecting a proof... He just did the computation and sat down. Numbers do not lie.

Yes, I would send you to the computer. Is there any other way to do this? I mean mathematicians have been baffled by this problem since Euler.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#33 2013-04-06 05:25:16

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There isn't. I agree.

But I would love to know the algorithm


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#34 2013-04-06 05:32:53

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Re: Mathematics jokes

Probably T and E strengthened with your prime table idea!


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#35 2013-04-06 05:44:12

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What are T and E?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#36 2013-04-06 05:45:33

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One of two of the most powerful ideas in human history, Trial and Error and Guessing!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#37 2013-04-06 05:50:58

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So whats the secret of doing the goldbach decomposition without a table?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#38 2013-04-06 05:54:36

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I would definitely use a table!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#39 2013-04-06 05:57:27

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bobbym wrote:

it can be computed quickly enough and you will not need that table.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#40 2013-04-06 06:05:21

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That is what I thought originally but I think a table is a good idea.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#41 2013-04-06 06:07:22

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It takes a lot of time to build that.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#42 2013-04-06 06:11:50

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You can download them and it is very likely that you will find two primes with one of them being small.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#43 2013-04-06 06:22:18

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If I run a program to build that table now, how likely is it that it will finish when I wake up?

I just remembered that I already have all primes upto 33554393 wink

Last edited by Agnishom (2013-04-06 06:25:43)


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#44 2013-04-06 06:24:44

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Re: Mathematics jokes

You will gamble that the one of the primes is small, say less than 10000. So the table will be small and quick to generate. You will be done quickly.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#45 2013-04-06 06:28:05

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Re: Mathematics jokes

Please see my edit


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#46 2013-04-06 06:29:20

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Re: Mathematics jokes

Hi;

So just start looping with 2 loops through them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#47 2013-04-06 06:41:40

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One going top to bottom and the other bottom to top?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#48 2013-04-06 06:48:57

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Re: Mathematics jokes

Hold on, remember some odd numbers are not the sum of two primes. Take 17 for instance it needs 3 primes.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#49 2013-04-06 14:27:53

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Don't Worry, I am using an even number

P.S.:
Last night I spent 4 hours to do it with the nested loops method. All efforts were in vain.
Today I realised my fault when I woke up and did the following just now and it worked within a split second smile:

1. I imported that table and sorted in a descending order.
2. For each prime a in the table, I calculated the other number b = (My phone number - a)
3. I did the Miller Rabin Test, and if that returned True then I carried b over to the real prime test.
4. If 3 returned true, I simply print a and b

Odd numbers are not special, because they will have too many solutions

Last edited by Agnishom (2013-04-06 15:07:05)


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#50 2013-04-06 19:45:27

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Re: Mathematics jokes

What I was driving at is that since your telephone number is even, in an effort to verify the Goldbach conjecture, they have already tested all numbers up to 10^18. They all were the sum of 2 primes.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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