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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Okay, I will wait till then.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

I am getting ≈ 0.077 for c).

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How?

My Approach was like this: P(starting from 1) = (No. of times it starts from 1 and leaves through 3)/(No.of times it leaves through 3)

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

That is very difficult to answer when someone gets an programming answer that may be incorrect or may not be.

Your reasoning looks okay. But 35%? Doesn't that seem a little high to you after all it only starts in 1, 25% of the time.

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You are correct but what should I do now?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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anonimnystefy and I just were discussing c) and he showed me where I was going wrong with it too. This is a difficult one to do by simulation because it has a conditional probability in it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Are you sure you are counting the events correctly?

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Have you done it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hmmm, you are never sure of anything, I could be making a mistake. That is why I stress having at least two methods. One checks the other.

But do you agree 35% is too high?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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bobbym wrote:

Hmmm, you are never sure of anything, I could be making a mistake. That is why I stress having at least two methods. One checks the other.

But do you agree 35% is too high?

I was talking to Agnishom.

Hi Agnishom

bobbym has done it and I believe his answer is correct.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The simulation looks okay to get the numerator and the denominator. I am looking for an analytical solution to back up the simulation!

A very rough analysis gives 1 / 16 which is close to the simulation.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Could you run the simulation a gew more times and post the results?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Same thing, I suspect the exact answer is 1 / 13.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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1/13 is the correct answer. Remember our friend Bayes?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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He is no friend of mine. Lucky he is long since gone.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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A figure of speech.

Have you tried using the Bayes' theorem. It gives 1/13, whoch agrees with your simulation!

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have not tried it, how did you set it up?

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Just plugged the numbers in.

P(A|B)=P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B)= (2/13)*(1/4)/(1/2)=1/13.

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A smiley?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Ah, thanks, bobbym.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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That looks simplest.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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It is. I was amazed when I figured it out.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, you did well. Very good!

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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Thanks. Have you figured out what went wrong in Agnishom's simulation?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have not seen it yet. He might have a logic error in the program.

I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.

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