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bobbym wrote:

Hi;

You can also get quite close using:

Hi bobbym,

What should I be doing after getting this form?

Hi stefy,

How? If I could have approximated the logarithm of 5^44, then there would have been no problem at all. Can you do it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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10^44 is a 45 digit number.

2^10 ≈ 1000 = 10^3

(10^3)^4 = 10^12

10^44 / (10^12 * 2^4) = 10^32 / 2^4

Now 2^4 = 1.6 *10

10^32 / ( 1.6 * 10) = 10^31 / 1.6 ≈ 10^30.

10^30 is a 31 digit number. But this is only an approximation.

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Yes, yes, I get it

Well, what had stefy been talkiing about?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You can use Taylor's series to get log(5), but it will require a little bit of calculus.

If you want to see how...

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Indeed I want to see,

My problem is that I am not acquainted enough with calculus

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You are a little young for your school system to have taught you it. They prefer a gradual introduction to it.

I am using log(x) to denote the common logarithm and ln(x) as the natural log.

You start with the Mclaurin series

If we substitute x = 2 / 3 in the we get:

So ln(5) ≈ 1.600261284211901

But we needed log(5) not ln(5)! How do we get it?

We use this relationship

which is quite close to the true value.

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Let me try it out

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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Hi bobbym

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Please hold on the latex maker is not holding up, I am aware of that and am editing the original post.

All done!

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Please help me with the problem attached

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Agnishom,

I'm not getting this yet. I've drawn a line L . Now it says 'on a straight line l' so I assumed that the circles had their centres on the line, and that each circle touches the ones on either side of it. That covers the 'externally tangential to circle(n-1) and circle(n+1) but apparently also tangential to L itself. How does that happen? And I haven't even got to the second sentence yet.

Bob

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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I am getting 1/2.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

bobbym wrote:

A picture is worth a thousand words.

For people like me who are geometrically challenged this problem is a nightmare. So far I have come up with 10^16 different possible drawings that to me fit those constraints.

Now I am busy looking up externally tangent, internally tangent, tangerine tangent... in the hopes of what externally tangent to the line means. Intersects at one point?

I see that bob has got his circles with their centers on the line, I have lifted my circles and it was hard to do, after all there are an infinite amount of them, to roll on the line. That takes care of externally tangent. Now this second bunch of circles, where do they go?

John McCarthy wrote:

As the Chinese say, 1001 words is worth more than a picture.

Maybe I shouldn't need the diagram...

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Bob, if you want I can give a diagram

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This is the only diagram I can imagine.

A rough sketch though...

1001 Words ≈ 7 KB

1 picture > 100 KB

Obviously, a picture is worth more....

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Agnishom wrote:

Please help me with the problem attached

This is what I got.

Let be the centre of and the point of contact of with . Let be the centre of and the point of contact of with .

Let

be the point on such that is a rectangle. Applying Pythagorass theorem to gives .Let

be the point on such that is a rectangle. Applying Pythagorass theorem to gives .Let

be the point on such that is a rectangle. Applying Pythagorass theorem to gives .Then

Hence:

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Agnishom;

Thanks for the drawing.

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Thanks Nehushtan

I shall ask you if I have any doubts

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Please upload a diagram, I really do not understand from "Applying Pythagoras Theorem..."

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Thank you

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