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#1 2013-03-02 02:55:55

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Justice

What is justice?

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#2 2013-03-02 03:45:51

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Re: Justice

Justice......
Dictionsary:jus·tice  [juhs-tis]  Show IPA
noun
1.
the quality of being just; righteousness, equitableness, or moral rightness: to uphold the justice of a cause.
2.
rightfulness or lawfulness, as of a claim or title; justness of ground or reason: to complain with justice.
3.
the moral principle determining just conduct.
4.
conformity to this principle, as manifested in conduct; just conduct, dealing, or treatment.
5.
the administering of deserved punishment or reward.


Hey.

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#3 2013-03-02 07:01:51

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Re: Justice

Hi;

Why do you want to know?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#4 2013-03-02 07:16:19

noemi
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Re: Justice

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

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#5 2013-03-02 07:25:43

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Re: Justice

That is a very old viewpoint.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#6 2013-03-02 07:31:45

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Re: Justice

justice is always the same..it never changes

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#7 2013-03-02 07:33:37

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Re: Justice

I am afraid not. Things change.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#8 2013-03-02 07:49:24

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Re: Justice

if the justice and the truth change.. then we're in a big trouble

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#9 2013-03-02 07:50:39

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Re: Justice

Do you know what it means? The justice you are advocating.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#10 2013-03-02 07:53:51

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Re: Justice

yes, do you?

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#11 2013-03-02 08:20:37

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Re: Justice

How is that kind of justice supposed to bring peace?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#12 2013-03-02 08:23:36

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Re: Justice

Is it really justice? Does that work? Why was it abandoned?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#13 2013-03-02 08:27:26

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Re: Justice

there is difference between mercy and justice
it wasn't abandoned

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#14 2013-03-02 08:28:43

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Re: Justice

Where is it now practiced?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#15 2013-03-02 08:31:30

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Re: Justice

if it's not practiced does that mean that it is not the true definition anymore

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#16 2013-03-02 08:35:09

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Re: Justice

What true definition? Whose?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#17 2013-03-02 08:54:44

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Re: Justice

it's deeper than you think..
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

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#18 2013-03-02 16:19:32

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Re: Justice

noemi wrote:

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth

Gandhiji wrote:

An eye for an eye would make the whole world blind.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
'Humanity is still kept intact. It remains within.' -Alokananda

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#19 2013-03-02 20:55:13

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Re: Justice

Romans 3:10-11 wrote:

There is none righteous, no, not one:
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Who feels righteous enough?

To eastern people...tell me what have your gods done for you? My God died instead of me because He loved me...(since the penalty for sin is death and since God is righteous..  to fulfill that righteousness the blood had to be shed )..now tell me, is there a greater love than that.. to die for a sinner who spits on you and fornicates with other gods?

btw,"an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" is very mathematical, don't you think?

there are few attributes of God.. we shouldn't mix them... this is what Jesus said

Luke 6:27-38  wrote:

But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.
And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.
Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

Is this justice? No, it's mercy.

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#20 2013-03-02 22:39:32

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Re: Justice

Religion was always too extremal in some things.

According to you, what should happen to a man who's killed another man?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#21 2013-03-02 22:43:56

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To eastern people...tell me what have your gods done for you?

The question of what have their God done for them is improper, It is the same God. I suggest one follow Jesus' idea of mercy rather than the old testament idea of justice.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#22 2013-03-03 02:12:28

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bobbym, I believe there is only one God ..but people worship different gods ..you and I surely don't belong to  the  same  one
stefy..who  am  I to judge that man ..it's God's judgement ..it's supernatural to love such man ..it is possible in Jesus. .there were many murderers who repented and converted to God

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#23 2013-03-03 02:56:21

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Re: Justice

We don't belong to the same what? Religion? I am a Christian too.

Wait, so, you believe that it's God's judgement, but also believe in the "eye for eye" justice?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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#24 2013-03-03 05:24:32

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Re: Justice

dear stefy.. it's not my idea, it is written in the Bible- the book that you should take as the Word of God if you're a true Christian
btw.. that sentence was to bobbym

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#25 2013-03-03 05:39:32

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Well, all things considered, I do agree to some point with the Bible. But there are things, like the God killing almost all of mankind in a flood, that I really do not like.

Second, I am Christian mostly because I was born into a Christian family. I am still to young to decide which religion, if any, I want to belong to.

Third, as I got it, the whole Bible is just a series of stories that were documented by people who believed in God. How do I know that what they've written is truly God's word?


“Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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