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#1076 2013-01-30 09:48:03

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Re: Bafflers?

That could be a trick part of the question and maybe not.

That problem was given to me as part of a much bigger problem.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1077 2013-01-30 09:49:59

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Re: Bafflers?

You mean, you want all 16 solutions?

The problem is a standard elementary school one... I think you ought to post the bigger problem...


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#1078 2013-01-30 09:53:48

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Re: Bafflers?

I am only aware of 2 solutions! How the heck can a problem with 16 solutions be elementary?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1079 2013-01-30 09:58:07

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Re: Bafflers?

12 of them are just rotations of 4 other, and of those 4, 2 are the mirror images of the other two, so, it's not as bad as it sounds...


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1080 2013-01-30 09:59:13

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Re: Bafflers?

Are you aware you are using the top side ( one side ) of the square?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1081 2013-01-30 10:00:38

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Re: Bafflers?

Then 2 it is.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1082 2013-01-30 10:01:59

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Re: Bafflers?

Maybe only one...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1083 2013-01-30 10:04:28

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Re: Bafflers?

Nope, 2.



Is that what you meant by orientation?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1084 2013-01-30 10:06:13

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Re: Bafflers?

I think the drawing indicates that E is outside of the square.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1085 2013-01-30 10:11:14

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Re: Bafflers?

So?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1086 2013-01-30 10:14:34

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Re: Bafflers?

Unus solutio!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1087 2013-01-30 10:21:16

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Re: Bafflers?

No, there are 2. One is shown in the picture and the other isn't...


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1088 2013-01-30 10:22:36

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Re: Bafflers?

Hmmm is there another that keeps the proportions?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1089 2013-01-30 10:28:39

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Re: Bafflers?

Yes.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1090 2013-01-30 10:31:21

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Re: Bafflers?

Nope, Unus solutio!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1091 2013-01-30 10:37:30

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Re: Bafflers?

Duo solutio!


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1092 2013-01-30 10:43:19

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Re: Bafflers?

Look at the drawing. The short side is on the left. Remember, 3:4:5. Unus solutio.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1093 2013-01-30 10:45:44

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In the other solution it is also on the left and all proportions are the same. Duo solutio!


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1094 2013-01-30 10:46:42

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Re: Bafflers?

Hmmmm?! Talk is cheap as we say over here. You will now have to produce those two solutions.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1095 2013-01-30 10:52:51

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Re: Bafflers?

I will, but tomorrow or at the weekend.

Basically, the mirror image of point E in BC is also a valid solution...

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-01-30 10:53:41)


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1096 2013-01-30 11:00:06

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Re: Bafflers?

I am not seeing that. The little side BE will always be on the left and E will always be on top.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1097 2013-02-01 01:32:50

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi bobbym

The two solutions are on the picture in the link below...

Solution picture

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2013-02-01 01:37:17)


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1098 2013-02-01 01:56:23

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi;


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#1099 2013-02-01 02:10:45

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Re: Bafflers?

When did we agree not to take the solution inside the square?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#1100 2013-02-01 02:18:43

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Re: Bafflers?

Post #1084


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

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