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#1 2012-12-26 11:44:31

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What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Who will be able to give me the irrefragable answers.
The question N1:
"What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function for the function (if each vertical line is the  function value)?"

I will prompt:

Both top limits - are coordinates of this point. And its value is equal to

a tangent of angle of an inclination of a tangent (

).

What is the point (ordered pairs: (

))

of Graph of a function for the function: (

)

(if each vertical line is the  function value (

))?


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#2 2012-12-26 21:41:17

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

hi 21122012

I am confused by what you have asked. 

Are you looking for help on the fundamental theorem of calculus?

Are you wanting to know A(x) in my diagram?

Bob

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#3 2012-12-27 06:34:38

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

bob bundy wrote:

hi 21122012

I am confused by what you have asked. 

Are you looking for help on the fundamental theorem of calculus?

Are you wanting to know A(x) in my diagram?

Bob

No!

I want to have the answer to a question: what is the point 


for function

You understand?


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#4 2012-12-27 06:40:18

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

What are x_0 and y_0?


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#5 2012-12-27 07:01:41

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Next question?

Bob


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#6 2012-12-27 07:05:08

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

anonimnystefy wrote:

What are x_0 and y_0?

Look "Visualisation" in link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integration_by_parts


You understand???!!!

What is ordinate and abscissa?

You understand:

Last edited by 21122012 (2012-12-27 07:09:40)


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#7 2012-12-27 07:06:47

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

bob bundy wrote:

Next question?

Bob

You wrote everything correctly but a question didn't answer.


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#8 2012-12-27 07:09:59

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

You should really explain the notation

and
.


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#9 2012-12-27 07:22:20

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

but a question didn't answer.

I thought I did answer a question.

If it wasn't the question you were asking, then you will have to re-phrase your question.

Bob


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#10 2012-12-27 07:30:59

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

21122012 wrote:
bob bundy wrote:

Next question?

Bob

You wrote everything correctly but a question didn't answer.

Is that the way you want to see your "answer" being written?

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#11 2012-12-27 07:34:49

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anonimnystefy wrote:

You should really explain the notation

and
.

Well!!!

It proves that VTSUALISATION is my development!!!!

Look on Visualisation:

You understand?!


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#12 2012-12-27 07:36:43

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

No, not really.

What is [x_1]?


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#13 2012-12-27 07:37:04

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

scientia wrote:
21122012 wrote:
bob bundy wrote:

Next question?

Bob

You wrote everything correctly but a question didn't answer.

Is that the way you want to see your "answer" being written?

That you write to me same. I am not an idiot and I understand that you write. I am itself I know. Read a question and answer it.


"The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus"

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#14 2012-12-27 07:40:31

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

anonimnystefy wrote:

No, not really.

What is [x_1]?

[x_1] is piece on the OX axis with a length:


"The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus"

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#15 2012-12-27 07:48:55

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Read a question and answer it.

Please write a question.

In Russian, perhaps, so we can translate it correctly.

Bob


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#16 2012-12-27 07:50:27

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Understand that you explain me what role function for a point of GRAF plays. And I ask what role a point of the GRAF plays for function. You understand a difference?


"The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus"

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#17 2012-12-27 07:53:09

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

bob bundy wrote:

Read a question and answer it.

Please write a question.

In Russian, perhaps, so we can translate it correctly.

Bob

Вы пишете мне объяснение какую роль играет функция для точки графика функции. Функция определяет ординату точки. Это понятно. Теперь объясните мне какое вообще отношение к функции имеет точка графика функции?


"The conditions imposed on functions, become a source of difficulties which will manage to be avoided only by means of new researches about the principles of integral calculus"

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#18 2012-12-27 08:05:07

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Here is a rough translation (luckily, Serbian and Russian are very much alike):

You write to me the explanation of the role of the function for a point of the graph. The function determines the ordinate of the point. That is clear. Now explain to me what general relation does the point of the graph have to the function.


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#19 2012-12-27 08:31:14

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Thanks Stefy,

That is very helpful.  The on-line translators (I tried three) all gave goobledegook.

But I still don't know what he is asking for.  Have you any idea?

Bob


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#20 2012-12-27 08:36:52

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

You write to me the explanation of the role of the function for a point of the graph. The function determines the ordinate of the point. That is clear. Now explain to me what relation does the point of the graph have to the function.


Yes! It's true!

Look this:

http://vladimir938.eto-ya.com/files/2012/12/key-11.jpg

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#21 2012-12-27 08:42:55

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

I have looked at your picture.

It makes no sense to me.

Please start at the beginning.

Bob


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#22 2012-12-27 08:45:10

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Circle - the geometrical point


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#23 2012-12-27 08:48:38

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

Hi Bob

You're welcome.

I think what he wants is interpolation... dunno

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#24 2012-12-27 08:56:20

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

21122012 wrote:

Circle - the geometrical point

This is your beginning ???

You want a circle with radius = zero ?

I cannot see this circle.  It is too small. 

But I will imagine it.

Please go on to lesson 2.

Bob


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#25 2012-12-27 09:06:59

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Re: What is the point (ordered pairs) of Graph of a function?

You don't see, but sees a tangent of angle of an inclination of a tangent to the Graph of a function. Ask it, he will tell you about each point of the Graph of a function. smile

Genes and molecules too it isn't visible but for this purpose there is an imagination


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