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#76 2012-11-08 05:22:04
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A die is rolled until the same number comes up twice in a row. What is the expected number of rolls?
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#77 2012-11-08 06:19:14
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It's like I read your mind. I had already done that one on my own. The answer should be 12. And for three same numbers in a row, I get 43.
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#78 2012-11-08 06:24:01
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I do not recommend trying to read my mind. A girl I knew tried that and it was instantly fatal. A couple of biophysicists believe that total protonic reversal caused massive neuronic damage to the lobar condulum.
Your answer is not correct.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#79 2012-11-08 07:23:06
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New answer: 7.
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#80 2012-11-08 07:35:32
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That is not right either. Actually, the problem is related to a CCP but we have not covered that yet.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#81 2012-11-08 07:42:19
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Are you sure?
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#82 2012-11-08 07:45:00
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Yes I am sure. How are you getting 7?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#83 2012-11-08 07:46:53
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Markov chain!
((0,1,0),(0,5/6,1/6),(0,0,1))
What are you getting?
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#84 2012-11-08 07:52:48
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Sorry, I am doing the wrong problem! 7 is correct. Very good answer!
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#85 2012-11-08 07:54:18
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Thanks. What problem were you doing?
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“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#86 2012-11-08 07:57:42
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Something I am just trying to learn and the guys bad latexing fouled up everything. I do not know why that should affect your problem but it did, sorry.
Please label your Markov chain and put it into the correct form as we discussed.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#87 2012-11-08 08:01:26
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Correct form?
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“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#88 2012-11-08 08:08:54
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Post # 28 and #36 has a starting explanation that will help. Also label the what went where.
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#89 2012-11-08 10:12:23
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Do I really have to?
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#90 2012-11-08 10:58:15
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Yes, please do. Labeling is very important for me to see if you have arranged the matrix correctly.
Generally the most important part of solving any problem is labeling, naming and neat work!
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#91 2012-11-09 00:29:49
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Of course it is not.
You would be surprised how the notebook I do math in looks.
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“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#92 2012-11-09 03:40:53
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You would be surprised how the notebook I do math in looks.
I hope it is nice and neat. Now what about the labeled matrix I asked for?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#93 2012-11-09 03:55:19
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It is the exact opposite of nice and neat.
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The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#94 2012-11-09 04:13:48
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Okay, thank you but I am unable to get that into correct form! What was your calculation to get 7?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#95 2012-11-09 05:28:12
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Well, when you strip away the absorbing state, you get ((0,1),(0,5/6)). Then you do the (I-P)-1 thing.
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The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#96 2012-11-09 06:58:12
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Kayrect! That is very good.
And do we have another way to solve the problem?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#97 2012-11-09 07:21:29
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Yes we do. A formula.
E=1/6 * 2+5/6 * (E+1)
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“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#98 2012-11-09 07:48:08
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And another way?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.
#99 2012-11-09 07:53:39
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With a simulation.
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“A secret's worth depends on the people from whom it must be kept.” ― Carlos Ruiz Zafón
#100 2012-11-09 07:57:55
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And yet another way?
In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
Probability is the most important concept in modern science, especially as nobody has the slightest notion what it means.
90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics.