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#951 2012-11-04 02:17:32

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi;

In order for me to check the answers I will need the positions of the poles too. Remember the distance between the poles count too!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#952 2012-11-04 02:22:11

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi Bobby,


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#953 2012-11-04 02:30:27

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi phrontister;

Hi anonimnystefy;

I guess you are saying that the biggest pole is 484 ft high the ant travels 2 * 484 +1 =969 ft and then the next pole is at least 485 ft. away so we have 969 + 485 = 1454 and you can arbitrarily fit 6 small poles in the remaining  114 ft.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#954 2012-11-04 04:56:42

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi bobbym

Why would it need to be 485 ft away?

But, yeah, that's the idea...


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#955 2012-11-04 06:04:09

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Re: Bafflers?

Hi anonimnystefy;

The next pole always needs to be further away than the height of the pole before it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#956 2012-11-04 09:34:59

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Re: Bafflers?

Yeah, but it could be an yoctometer further away than the height of the pole.


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#957 2012-11-04 10:29:20

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Re: Bafflers?

That is true, but to simplify calculations I used an integer.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#958 2012-11-04 10:30:19

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Re: Bafflers?

Well, you didn't state that the distance must be an integer, so you cannot assume it to be true...


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#959 2012-11-04 10:32:03

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Re: Bafflers?

I did not say it was. But it could be true! Anyway it was for illustration only.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#960 2012-11-04 10:33:43

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Re: Bafflers?

But then my solution is correct!


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#961 2012-11-04 10:37:13

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Re: Bafflers?

Yes, I would think it is true.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#962 2012-11-04 10:42:42

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Re: Bafflers?

Okay then. Thanks for the problem. I just don't understand why you made it so that it has so many solutions (knowing mine and phro's aren't the only ones...)


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#963 2012-11-04 10:44:57

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Re: Bafflers?

Bafflers are not that tough of a problem. Like in the real world, you never know about a problem until you solve it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#964 2012-11-04 10:46:05

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Re: Bafflers?

There is a collection of 12 balls of same color and weight except one ball of different weight. By using only a weighing balance ( with two pans) without weights,find the odd ball from the lot.Also determine if the odd ball is heavier or lighter than the rest.Only three weighments are allowed.

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#965 2012-11-04 10:46:17

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Re: Bafflers?

Ok... But we still need more expectation problems...


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#966 2012-11-04 10:49:51

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sms37 wrote:

There is a collection of 12 balls of same color and weight except one ball of different weight. By using only a weighing balance ( with two pans) without weights,find the odd ball from the lot.Also determine if the odd ball is heavier or lighter than the rest.Only three weighments are allowed.

Do you need help with that or are you posing it as a problem?

In either case,

is a solution.


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#967 2012-11-04 10:51:50

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Re: Bafflers?

I know everything about expectation, or at least I did. I can give you plenty of them if you want to learn it. Start a new thread.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#968 2012-11-04 10:53:19

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Re: Bafflers?

Okay.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-11-04 11:05:01)


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#969 2012-11-04 11:02:54

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Re: Bafflers?

But be aware that they are generally very tough.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#970 2012-11-04 11:05:47

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Re: Bafflers?

Better working on tough problems than on ones I cn solve easily, eh?


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#971 2012-11-04 11:08:37

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Re: Bafflers?

Hmmmm, well that sounds like pretty tough talk but if I remember correctly there is still that 1000 die thrown problem...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#972 2012-11-04 11:10:45

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Re: Bafflers?

So? It doesn't mean that I didn't gain anything from working on that problem...


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#973 2012-11-04 11:14:16

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Re: Bafflers?

I know... But before you took a trip in to expectation land it would have been more productive to have learned the techniques of solving that one.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#974 2012-11-04 11:20:33

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Re: Bafflers?

We can do that as well in the gf thread.


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#975 2012-11-04 11:23:53

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Re: Bafflers?

Though it is being set up using gf's it is best solved by other means.

Do you remember the Colonels major criticism of bobbym, well pappym said another one? Between the two you could see how he was doomed to failure before he even started.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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