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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Well, I do not see 30 squares. These √ 3 squares are beyond my visual acuity. I am writing a little program to do this for me.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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ok.but i still want to know what the conclusion is.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Where r is the number of rows and c is the number of columns. r ≤ c

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

this can be simplified to:

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Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I will tell you why you should never do that lightly.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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why?and do what?

Here lies the reader who will never open this book. He is forever dead.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Simplifcation, which is drummed into school kids is sometimes an error!

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

i'm not simplifying it because i want to,i'm simplifying it so that i don't have to implement an algorithm for doing combinations.i'm thinking of converting this to the notation you mentioned before in the big Oh thread.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Even there it might be more useful to think of it in the supposed long form. You could use Stirling's formula on those binomials and go a little further than before perhaps.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

i'm not sure what you want me to do.could you show me?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The first one is what is considered mandatory, simplify everything! But it hides the structure of the problem. It is hard to see what combinatorics is involved. The second shows a pattern and might even suggest a starting point for more dimensions or different shapes.

There is a really funny example from an Adrian Oldknow book that demonstrates that stereotyped thinking in math can lead to disaster.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

i understand what you mean,but,as i stated clearly,i simplified your formula for computational purposes only.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I know but you must be careful there too

remember?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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how is that possible?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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We did not get into it because you were not ready. The computation you speak of is a very tricky beast. Often in Numerical analysis you anti-simplify because it is superior.

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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hi bobbym

this is just basic programming so that's not necessary.

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I know, that is what they say. I just mention it so you will be prepared when that comes up.

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**If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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ok,thanks!

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Ever heard of Adrian Oldknow or his book?

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.**

**If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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nope.who's that guy?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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A guy who wrote a nice book on using microcomputers and doing mathematics.

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**If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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k,what about him?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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It was just a nice book to read. It showed me that there were alternate ways to do math problems.

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**If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: The Foundation
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what alternative ways?

Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most. ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

The knowledge of some things as a function of age is a delta function.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Too much to detail, maxima and minima for one.

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**If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**

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