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#1 2012-01-27 10:24:53

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Fermi's questions!!!

hi guys

few days ago i stumbled upon these kinds of problems through the all-mighty Wikipedia.they are very interesting and i thought we should do some here.

me first:
"How much *oxygen* does an average person breathe in with each breath?"

you are allowed to ask me some questions related to this that might help you.

let the games begin! smile

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-01-28 05:14:06)


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#2 2012-01-27 10:30:46

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

few days ago i stumbled upon these kinds of problems

I wish you would be stumbling over to the problems you asked me for.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#3 2012-01-27 10:33:05

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

why so mean?

it's not my fault.and this forum was partially created for helping those in need.if you don't want to help you don't need to! smile


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#4 2012-01-27 10:37:32

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Who is being mean? You did ask me for tougher problems. Also, you asked me on how to complete the cube. Took me 8 hours to clear up that guys gibberish and you have not even been there. How about the derangement problem? That was a dilly. Took me a whole day. It was a great piece of work too, better than anything Einstein ever did. Not Albert the other Einstein.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#5 2012-01-27 11:22:43

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I never asked you for derangements,juan did.and i didn't even see the completing the cube text files promised!


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#6 2012-01-27 12:00:54

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I never asked you for derangements,juan did.and i didn't even see the completing the cube text files promised!

Both were given to you as promised.

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic … 00#p198900

And here is the derangement problem.

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=17147

Post #1 to #16


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#7 2012-01-28 02:05:28

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Now back to the original question.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#8 2012-01-28 02:43:13

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

the point is to make reasonable assumtions and ask questions like:"What is the capacity of the human lungs?" or something like that.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#9 2012-01-28 03:18:53

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I do not get it but I will copy your question.

What is the capacity of the human lung?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#10 2012-01-28 04:47:57

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

well,you cannot ask stuff that would directly give you the answer.look up Fermi's questions on wiki.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#11 2012-01-28 04:52:45

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Okay, what is the size of a human lung? That is a Fermi question.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#12 2012-01-28 04:57:41

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it's about 6 litres.

i'm not sure you got it.a Fermi question is what i posted in the first post.what your question is is a question whose answer can help you answer the Fermi question.but your question is valid.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#13 2012-01-28 05:03:11

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Hi;

I got that question from a similar one asked by Sheila's future physisicts.

http://mathforum.org/workshops/sum96/interdisc/sheila2.html#2

See the balloons in a room problem.

Now with your answer I know the answer. But do I ask more questions?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#14 2012-01-28 05:13:51

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

well you can if you need to,but you must be aware if your answer is the one which was asked for.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#15 2012-01-28 05:17:18

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In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#16 2012-01-28 05:21:50

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

it would be nicer if the answer was given in number of molecules.in fact a saw the question again and realized that i haven't posted it quite correctly.

but,even in the form of liters it's not a good answer.you forgot to take in oe detail about the human lungs.


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#17 2012-01-28 05:23:37

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I assumed your answer of 6 liters was capacity.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#18 2012-01-28 05:31:55

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well it is.but is that the value you need?


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#19 2012-01-28 05:41:46

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I would say so. Since 1 / 5 of the air is oxygen, 6 / 5 = 1.2 liters is the volume of oxygen in one breath by a human lung.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#20 2012-01-28 06:02:06

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

well then i suggest looking at the wiki article on lung capacity.

and once more,give your answer in molecules of oxygen!


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#21 2012-01-28 07:02:11

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Molecules! I will go to work on it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#22 2012-01-28 07:23:42

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

it's not just about molecules.when we breath we don't use our full lung capacity!


The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#23 2012-01-28 09:25:54

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Checked Wiki and was unable to find a clear answer on percentage of the lungs used.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

#24 2012-01-28 09:58:22

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

here you are:Tidal volume


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“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment
 

#25 2012-01-28 11:11:30

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Hi;

That is giving a weight to volume ratio, I do not know the weight.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.
 

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