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#1 2012-01-26 11:24:53

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Fermi's questions!!!

hi guys

few days ago i stumbled upon these kinds of problems through the all-mighty Wikipedia.they are very interesting and i thought we should do some here.

me first:
"How much *oxygen* does an average person breathe in with each breath?"

you are allowed to ask me some questions related to this that might help you.

let the games begin! smile

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#2 2012-01-26 11:30:46

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

few days ago i stumbled upon these kinds of problems

I wish you would be stumbling over to the problems you asked me for.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#3 2012-01-26 11:33:05

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

why so mean?

it's not my fault.and this forum was partially created for helping those in need.if you don't want to help you don't need to! smile


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#4 2012-01-26 11:37:32

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Who is being mean? You did ask me for tougher problems. Also, you asked me on how to complete the cube. Took me 8 hours to clear up that guys gibberish and you have not even been there. How about the derangement problem? That was a dilly. Took me a whole day. It was a great piece of work too, better than anything Einstein ever did. Not Albert the other Einstein.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#5 2012-01-26 12:22:43

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I never asked you for derangements,juan did.and i didn't even see the completing the cube text files promised!


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#6 2012-01-26 13:00:54

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I never asked you for derangements,juan did.and i didn't even see the completing the cube text files promised!

Both were given to you as promised.

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic … 00#p198900

And here is the derangement problem.

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=17147

Post #1 to #16


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#7 2012-01-27 03:05:28

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Now back to the original question.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#8 2012-01-27 03:43:13

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

the point is to make reasonable assumtions and ask questions like:"What is the capacity of the human lungs?" or something like that.


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#9 2012-01-27 04:18:53

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I do not get it but I will copy your question.

What is the capacity of the human lung?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#10 2012-01-27 05:47:57

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

well,you cannot ask stuff that would directly give you the answer.look up Fermi's questions on wiki.


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#11 2012-01-27 05:52:45

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Okay, what is the size of a human lung? That is a Fermi question.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#12 2012-01-27 05:57:41

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

it's about 6 litres.

i'm not sure you got it.a Fermi question is what i posted in the first post.what your question is is a question whose answer can help you answer the Fermi question.but your question is valid.


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#13 2012-01-27 06:03:11

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Hi;

I got that question from a similar one asked by Sheila's future physisicts.

http://mathforum.org/workshops/sum96/interdisc/sheila2.html#2

See the balloons in a room problem.

Now with your answer I know the answer. But do I ask more questions?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#14 2012-01-27 06:13:51

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

well you can if you need to,but you must be aware if your answer is the one which was asked for.


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#15 2012-01-27 06:17:18

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#16 2012-01-27 06:21:50

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

it would be nicer if the answer was given in number of molecules.in fact a saw the question again and realized that i haven't posted it quite correctly.

but,even in the form of liters it's not a good answer.you forgot to take in oe detail about the human lungs.


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#17 2012-01-27 06:23:37

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I assumed your answer of 6 liters was capacity.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#18 2012-01-27 06:31:55

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

well it is.but is that the value you need?


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#19 2012-01-27 06:41:46

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

I would say so. Since 1 / 5 of the air is oxygen, 6 / 5 = 1.2 liters is the volume of oxygen in one breath by a human lung.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#20 2012-01-27 07:02:06

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

well then i suggest looking at the wiki article on lung capacity.

and once more,give your answer in molecules of oxygen!


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#21 2012-01-27 08:02:11

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Molecules! I will go to work on it.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#22 2012-01-27 08:23:42

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

it's not just about molecules.when we breath we don't use our full lung capacity!


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#23 2012-01-27 10:25:54

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Checked Wiki and was unable to find a clear answer on percentage of the lungs used.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#24 2012-01-27 10:58:22

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

hi bobbym

here you are:Tidal volume


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#25 2012-01-27 12:11:30

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Re: Fermi's questions!!!

Hi;

That is giving a weight to volume ratio, I do not know the weight.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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