bobbym & lookagain edit wrote:

Hi;

No insult intended but did you just get eliminated?

Spelling contests, like all forms of competition are a test of what a person has under the hood.
They test, courage, stamina,

luck,

willpower, concentration, nerves and the desire to win.

They test, courage, stamina, luck, willpower, concentration, nerves and the desire to win.

Source:
http://www.spellingbee.com/about-the-bee


Your attempts to create parity among the competitors is
defeating the purpose of the contest.

bobbym wrote:

Our purpose is to help students improve their spelling increase
their vocabularies, learn concepts, and develop correct English usage that will help them
all their lives.

Sounds like an Oprah or Phil quote.

Good for the tv audience. That is like saying we have a presidential election to teach
the candidates good sportsmanship!

The purpose of contests is to win with lots of bloodshed for the spectators.

Watching each defeated kid leaving the stage with that look of utter despair that is
what interests the spectators. Holding up that trophy while glaring at the vanquished
that is what interests the competitors.

It does not matter a *flip* what you claim what the audience likes regarding it! 
The interests of the spectators is immaterial.  The competition isn't for them.
The competition is not for the audience, but for the contestants.
Is that another point that got by you?

The competitors can hold their trophies *regardless*.

The old time format of spelling contests got the job done!

The thrill of victory and the agony of defeat so to speak.
I know all about, "everyone is winner," "we are all unique flowers," "
it is not whether you win...," all the modern psycho-socio-babble.

It's more of a c-r-a-p-s-h-o-o-t as it is now run (and has been running)

One more thing, the best will always tell you that they make their own luck.

Nope, your premise is wrong to begin with, because there is no
"best" in this context where they aren't challenged on the same words.

All the ones I was in the best man won.

Last edited by reconsideryouranswer (2011-11-19 09:44:34)

bobbym wrote:

You meant heck right?

What, is your crack supposed to dismiss it?

A statement is not a crack. That is you putting your
own spin on my thoughts.

A statement can be a crack, and regardless that you stated that
a statement is not (read:  is not equivalent to) a crack,
that makes your sentence, about a statement about not being a
crack, immaterial. 

And are you going to now deny that that statement was made to
discredit the Internet quote as to being taken seriously,
else you just rambled and went off on a tangent by typing it?
Either it was a crack to *attempt* to discredit the quote or it
was made in jest to change the subject.  Pick one.

where students are expected to act civil and be good role models
from the schools they are from.

You are describing an exercise in etiquette, not a contest. Contestants
must obey the rules, nothing more.

Of course the cleverest ones will bend them as much as possible.
This helps insure victory.

What is "got the job done?"  Better (and including fairer) ways come
along and show how the older ways were too flawed.

It means was adequate for the purpose.

One of those old and unfair statements that were before your time.

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"Well, how do you know it got the job done?"

"It was because it was adequate for the purpose."

"How did you know it was adequate for the purpose?"

"Well, it got the job done."

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It worked is my point! This is an attribute that it has and

your way lacks.

After all, your ideas have never been tested.

Is it possible that your ad hoc ideas are incorrect?

Garik Kasparov Former World Chess Champion wrote:

It is all the same
( contests of any kind ). The goal is to destroy the opponents ego, his will.

That is Kasparov's opinion, and it is not a statement of fact. 

The difference between a boxing match, basketball game or a spelling
contest is only the rules. The point is exactly the same.

 

A little probability will tell you that the luck you speak of averages out.

There is very little luck factor in a spelling contest ( old rules ).

You are in error assuming that the losers were unlucky.
They were outspelled, simple as that.

Hi;

That is Kasparov's opinion, and it is not a statement of fact.

Try to understand that everything you have said is also opinion. A singular opinion, one without any mathematics or experience to back it up. You feel that there is variability in the test. No one else does. So unless you can get on the school board...

I was not vague because you could not understand the reference. You must begin to accept the fact that you might be wrong. Your opinion does not qualify as a fact. Thousands of kids have taken and will be in future spelling contests. They are satisfied with the rules and the results, why aren't you?

However, the total number of losses due to unluckiness of the words given to them increases on average with the newer totals of spelling bees conducted.

Unluckiness? First you say more spelling bees would reduce the luck factor ( which is true ) now you say it does not.

Sorry, in competition which you do not want to admit a spelling contest is, nerves and luck counts. You are still holding on to the opinion that the losers were unlucky. That they were superior spellers but were somehow discriminated against. You say you are not but everything you say proves otherwise.

The words are picked carefully to be of equal difficulty. Even if they were not, the best spellers would still win. Remember I missed on very, very easy words, my opponents did not. If I remember the next contestant spelled my word correctly. Now what the heck is unfair about that.

Monday, 11/21/11


Administrator of MathIsFun:

Problem:  spamming by bobbym

I already sent a message intended for you to lock this
thread that is located here

http://www.mathisfunforum.com/viewtopic.php?id=16897


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Please do it now, and it is my thread that I
started anyway.  It has been hijacked by bobbym,
who keeps spamming it with posts of lies towards me.

Thank you,

User reconsideryouranswer