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#26 2011-08-06 04:11:41

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Re: Sequences!

Yes, it can't have a general term!

and I didn't understand #24 ?


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#27 2011-08-13 09:52:35

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Re: Sequences!

hi gAr

it was an answer to bobbym's question but with a sidecomment...


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#28 2011-08-25 06:51:02

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hi guys

in the other post g.f.s were mentioned,so i remembered this topic.

bobbym,

you were right this did turn to the g.f.s


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#29 2011-08-25 21:01:03

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Re: Sequences!

Hi;

Generating functions are the creators of the sequences.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#30 2011-08-26 01:09:47

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how can you be so sure?


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#31 2011-08-26 05:07:09

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Re: Sequences!

If you read generatingfunctionology then you should be a little bit conversant with the concept.

Everything starts with the Taylor and Mclaurin series. If you consider that the series with each x^n being just a place holder and the coefficients are the sequence. Herbie calls it a clothesline and that term has stuck.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#32 2011-08-26 05:08:57

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i find finding taylor and maclaurin series very amusing.


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#33 2011-08-26 05:21:20

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Amusing or confusing?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#34 2011-08-26 05:44:12

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amusing as u can see!


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#35 2011-08-26 05:48:55

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Hi anonimnystefy;

Then you understand them! Very good!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#36 2011-08-26 07:12:19

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yes but i haven't done many.that's where your help part comes in.

i know how to find e.i. the Maclaurin series for sine,cosine,exp functions,but not for tangent,cotangent,sin(x)e^x,etc.


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#37 2011-08-26 07:43:41

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Hi;

Doing some of those would not be easy at all. Why not just look them up? Must you build the plane to fly to London?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#38 2011-08-26 07:49:24

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hi

bobbym wrote:

Must you build a plane to fly to London

Not if your goal is to fly to London.but if your goal is to build a plane that can fly to london,now that's a different thing.and there's no math in there.


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#39 2011-08-26 07:52:16

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Some things you just do a few times and after that you let technology handle it. For instance;

817265341651718 * 1827653647591 = ?

9188275999917625431093 / 9821625142673 = ?

√(71627263514889000726152) = ?

Do you want to do them?


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#40 2011-08-26 07:55:13

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hi

i do not want to do them because that is not my goal.but once i started calculating 2^64 with the help of my friend,because that was my 'goal'.


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#41 2011-08-26 07:59:46

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Everybody does that once in their life. I once did the calculation for 500 light years in terms of miles.

But that is the point, you do it once after that you let a calculator do it. If you know how to differentiate and can plug into a formula than you can do a Taylor series. it is much more important to be able to use them. To know what they do.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#42 2011-08-26 08:07:05

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u see i like it when i ask someone to give me a number and then i take a square root of it by hand.

i actually don't know what ts and mcs can be used for.that's why i seek your enlightenment.


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#43 2011-08-26 08:24:56

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A Taylor series in its most basic form is an attempt to approximate some function by a really big polynomial.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#44 2011-08-26 10:06:29

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that i know.


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#45 2011-08-26 10:10:32

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Yes, but do you know what that really means?

And why were they so interested in Taylor series anyway?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#46 2011-08-26 10:31:58

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I love them. the approximation proving is intense, it's like love.


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#47 2011-08-26 10:38:20

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That is actually the secondary by far aspect of them. They were created to compute things. Numbers! Fact is we know everything about polynomials and little about any non - linear function. It is only natural to want to represent everything in terms of polynomials. Your calculator, computer and all the guys used them for precisely that purpose. The whole field of numerical analysis is really nothing more than a study of taylor series.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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#48 2011-08-26 10:42:47

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You know the value sin(x)=0 then you derivate both sides and get sin(x) = p. then you just derivate on and on...

After that you integrate back each and every one of those derivates and you get a serie. That serie can save lifes, I'm telling you!


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#49 2011-08-26 22:16:59

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hi LQ

how does the derivative of sine equal to sine,and the derivative of 0 equal p?


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#50 2011-08-27 20:33:20

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Can any one hep me to find the solution for this
4, 5, 12, 39, 114, 226, 225, ----,-----, -----

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