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**sa6274****Member**- Registered: 2008-03-11
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30-28,9-33,1-27,100-7,111-5,2-44,51-15,67-5,12-16,101-13,30-3,117-3,112-14,76-27,84-3,76-9,

22-15,75-4,51-12,99-36,101-14,100-2,10-13,92-5,60-12,6-2,34-4,103-10,3-45,49-5,90-4,18-11,

78-9,59-44,64-2,3-17,51-15,114-40,42-13

Can anyone help me with this?? Is is some sort of cipher or what?

I need to get a set of coordinates from the above puzzle.

The answer will probably be in this form

N 00° 00.000 W 000° 00.000

THANKS FOR THE HELP!

*Last edited by sa6274 (2008-03-11 06:30:52)*

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Try plotting the points ... it may write something out.

"The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..." - Leon M. Lederman

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**JaneFairfax****Member**- Registered: 2007-02-23
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John E. Franklin is very good at plotting points so lets wait for him to do it.

*Last edited by JaneFairfax (2008-03-11 10:37:18)*

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Yeah, come on John, let's see if it works or not.

"The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..." - Leon M. Lederman

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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Here's a x-y tiny plot.

The lower-left black pixel is (1,1).

*Last edited by John E. Franklin (2008-03-14 14:50:07)*

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**John E. Franklin****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-29
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I tried connecting the dots in order and got about halfway and

it looked messy. One interesting thing is to examine the

odd/even behavior of the numbers. This seems not random.

The 51-15 happens twice.

Here are some silly ideas:

```
even/odd Plus Minus
e 58 He 2 30-28 Zn Ni
e 42 Cr 24 9-33 F As
e 28 Fe 26 1-27 H Co
o 107 Np 93 100-7 ?? N
e 116 ?? 106 111-5 ?? B
e 46 Mo 42 2-44 He Ru
e 66 Kr 36 51-15 Sb P
e 72 Sm 62 67-5 Ho B
e 28 Be 4 12-16 C S
e 114 Ra 88 101-13 ?? Al
o 33 Co 27 30-3 Zn Li
e 120 ?? 114 117-3 ?? Li
e 126 ?? 98 112-14 ?? Si
o 103 In 49 76-27 Os Co
o 87 Tl 81 84-3 Po Li
o 85 Ho 67 76-9 Os F
o 37 N 7 22-15 Ti P
o 79 Lu 71 75-4 Re?Os Be
o 63 Y 39 51-12 Sb Mg
o 135 Eu 63 99-36 ?? Kr
o 115 Fr 87 101-14 ?? Si
e 102 ?? 98 100-2 ?? He
o 23 Li 3 10-13 Ne Al
o 97 Fr 87 92-5 U N
e 72 Cd 48 60-12 Nd Mg
e 8 Be 4 6-2 C He
e 38 Zn 30 34-4 Se Be
o 113 Np 93 103-10 ?? Ne
e 48 Mo 42 3-45 Li Rh
e 54 Ru 44 49-5 In B
e 94 Rn 86 90-4 Th Be
o 29 N 7 18-11 Ar Na
o 87 Tm 69 78-9 Pt F
o 103 P 15 59-44 Pr Ru
e 66 Sm 62 64-2 Gd He
e 20 Si 14 3-17 LiCl
e 66 Kr 36 51-15 Sb P
e 154 W 74 114-40 ?? Zr
o 55 Cu 29 42-13 Mo Al
totalX:2303
totalY:586
X+Y=2889
X-Y=1717
```

*Last edited by John E. Franklin (2008-03-14 14:59:22)*

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**integer****Member**- Registered: 2008-02-21
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? 30-28,9-33,1-27,100-7,111-5,2-44,51-15,67-5,12-16,101-13,30-3,117-3,112-14,76-27,84-3,76-9,

22-15,75-4,51-12,99-36,101-14,100-2,10-13,92-5,60-12,6-2,34-4,103-10,3-45,49-5,90-4,18-11,

78-9,59-44,64-2,3-17,51-15,114-40,42-13

What exactly was the original phrase? How was the question asked and what is expected?

Are you sure that you typed in the correct data?

Could you give ALL of the information that you started with?

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**sa6274****Member**- Registered: 2008-03-11
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http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_details.aspx?guid=d1a22277-082f-4462-9ef3-7c93d76a91b5

It is some sort of puzzle for finding a geocache. You are supposed to find a set of coordinates from the numbers.

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**integer****Member**- Registered: 2008-02-21
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These are parts of a waypoint file.

A typical waypoint is given in Longitude/Latitude.

Some of the geocaching methods will give a distance & bearing to the next waypoint.

The file appears to be a listing of Degrees--minutes.

As listed a Long/Lat or Lat/Long pair will give a Lat of greater that 90 degrees,

so they are NOT geographic coordinates.

They are distance & angle waypoints.

EXCEPT the distances are not supplied.

You will need:

1) to get a GPS receiver,

2) find the initial starting point (from the clues from the geocache site)

3) physically get to that point

4) enter the DEGREES-MINUTES elements into your GPS receiver

& then look for the most significant object in that direction

you will probably, my guess, find a geocache at each terminus.

The distances are missing from this set of waypoints.

If you had the actual distances, you could plot a path

and skip the intermediates.

The information (from the source given) indicates a distance of approximately

30 miles.

If ( a big IF ) each leg of the way point is one mile,

then you would be about 31 miles from the starting point at the

end of the way point listing.

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**sa6274****Member**- Registered: 2008-03-11
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Thanks for the help. I tried projecting waypoints with my GPS, however my GPS will only project the waypoints as Degrees I cannot use minutes or decimals. So my gps will be off by the amount of minutes in each set.

It gave me a general area. I will have to see if I can get the actual coordinates.

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**MooseofDoom****Member**- Registered: 2008-08-10
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wow that's interesting! I, or rather my teacher found a geocache near my house when we were looking for snakes: I think I wanna put one somewhere...

π≈ 3.141 592 653 589 793 238 462 643 383 279 502 884 197 169 399 375 105 820 974 944 592 307 816 406 286 208 998 628 034 825 342 117 067 982 148 086 513 282 306 647 093 844 609 550 582 231 725 359 408 128 481 117 450 284 102 701 938 521 105 559 644 622 948 954 930...

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**connor****Guest**

John E. Franklin wrote:

Here's a x-y tiny plot.

The lower-left black pixel is (1,1).

how old are you

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