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#1 2014-10-22 16:45:40

Agnishom
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Experimental Mathematics Troll

bobbym wrote:

EM is an way of life that is based on sound principles and can be applied everywhere.

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'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#2 2014-10-22 17:10:28

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

1) You sometimes go with 1 way, like the problem I am now working on. I will not have the luxury of 2 solutions.

2) They should provide a bound on their delivery date but being a bunch of billionaire reppies they do not have to.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#3 2014-10-22 17:44:00

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

You know what? I trolled them for half an hour about Continuum Hypothesis and Pathological Functions.

Unfortunately, I forgot to save the transcript.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
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#4 2014-10-22 18:05:04

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Okay, got it:

10:25 AM Initial Question: Is there a set whose cardinality is strictly between that of real numbers and integers?


10:25 AM Amazon has accepted the chat.
10:25 AM Amazon (CSA) : Hi Anthony , Thank you for contacting Amazon.in. My name is Somnath, I'll be happy to help you today.

10:26 AM Anthony R Babbage : Hi Somnath;
10:26 AM Anthony R Babbage : I had a question
10:26 AM Anthony R Babbage : It is kind of abstract though.
10:26 AM Amazon (CSA) : Good morning!
10:26 AM Amazon (CSA) : Please ask.
10:28 AM Anthony R Babbage : Good Morning, Mr. Somnath. It's a pleasure to meet you
10:28 AM Anthony R Babbage : Let us consider this situation:
10:28 AM Amazon (CSA) : Same from my end.
10:29 AM Anthony R Babbage : Suppose Amazon has built a book case for storing books such that in each compartment, we can fit in one book.
10:30 AM Anthony R Babbage : Furthermore, suppose that there are infinite such slots and all this slots are filled with books
10:31 AM Anthony R Babbage : Now, being an Author I write a finite number of books in my lifetime. Can the Amazon book shelf be adjusted to fit my books again?
10:32 AM Amazon (CSA) : Alrigth.
10:32 AM Anthony R Babbage : The answer is yes.
10:33 AM Anthony R Babbage : Somnath, I apprecciate your patience. It will still take me a couple of lines to go into the cardinality issue
10:36 AM Amazon (CSA) : May I ask if you want to make business with amazon?
10:36 AM Anthony R Babbage : I am a mathematician
10:36 AM Anthony R Babbage : ----
10:36 AM Anthony R Babbage : As we were discussing, the answer is yes.

Let us assume that the excess amount of books I wrote is 3 in number.

To fit this into the book shelf, we can follow this (countably infinite) steps:

1. Move the 1st book to the second compartment, move the second boook to the third compartment and so on....
2. Now, since we have emptied the first compartment, we can stuff in one of my new books there.

We can repeat steps one and two again two create yet another vacancy to fit in my second and  third books
10:36 AM Amazon (CSA) : Alright,  So what can I do for you?
10:37 AM Anthony R Babbage : You can help me solve the continuum hypothesis
10:37 AM Anthony R Babbage : You see, I can fit as many books as I want, this way.
10:38 AM Amazon (CSA) : We are authorized to give you information which is related to Amazon.
10:38 AM Anthony R Babbage : That is very good.
10:38 AM Anthony R Babbage : I will try and relate the continuum hypothesis with Amazon.
10:39 AM Anthony R Babbage : However, there is a 'higher kind' of infinity such that the number of books cannot be sorted into the infinite array of this booksheld
10:39 AM Anthony R Babbage : *bookshelf
10:40 AM Anthony R Babbage : As you can see, we can associate the first infintie cardinal with the number of integers that exist
10:40 AM Anthony R Babbage : this is called Aleph Null or Aleph 0
10:41 AM Anthony R Babbage :  and the second infinite is like the number of points on a line or so...
10:41 AM Anthony R Babbage : this is called Aleph One or Beth Zero
10:42 AM Anthony R Babbage : Let me have the pleasure to introduce you to the symbols of Aleph Null and Aleph One
10:42 AM Anthony R Babbage : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e0/Aleph0.svg/150px-Aleph0... <-- this is aleph null
10:43 AM Anthony R Babbage : For the purpose of this discussion we will denote Aleph Null by N0 and Aleph One by N1
10:43 AM Amazon (CSA) : Thank you for teach me lesson on mathematics but I am not authorized to communicate you with this topic.
10:43 AM Anthony R Babbage : ----
10:44 AM Anthony R Babbage : My question is Is there any s such that N0 < s < N1?
10:44 AM Anthony R Babbage : You are not? I am sorry
10:45 AM Anthony R Babbage : Let me ask you a few questions about Delivery issues then
10:46 AM Amazon (CSA) : Sure, you can.
10:48 AM Anthony R Babbage : Please give me 1 minute to frame my question properly so as to prevent a NaN
10:49 AM Amazon (CSA) : Sure.
10:49 AM Amazon (CSA) : Take your time.
10:51 AM Anthony R Babbage : Actually, my granddaughter is a regular Amazon customer. She gathered this data from her tracking details
10:52 AM Anthony R Babbage : Let me show you the data
10:52 AM Amazon (CSA) : May I ask if you have any issue with amazon?
10:53 AM Anthony R Babbage : It's Lucy's (my granddaughter) idea mainly. She cannot figure out the issue. So, we planned to ask you
10:55 AM Amazon (CSA) : I'm so sorry, but we can't offer any additional insight or action on this matter.

Is there anything else I can help you with?
10:56 AM Anthony R Babbage : Is there anyway to predict the delivery  date of an amazon package?
10:58 AM Amazon (CSA) : You will get all the information about the delivery date on the order level page on amazon account.
10:58 AM Anthony R Babbage : The tracking details page?
11:01 AM Amazon (CSA) : You can check it on your account.\
11:01 AM Anthony R Babbage : I will ask Lucy.
11:01 AM Anthony R Babbage : Give me 30 sec
11:03 AM Anthony R Babbage : Done. Great!
11:03 AM Amazon (CSA) : I’m glad we were able to get that sorted out for you. Before you go, was there anything else I could assist you with today? I’m happy to help.
11:04 AM Anthony R Babbage : Lucy could fit a spline(http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/WeierstrassFunction_901.gif) and predict it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:04 AM Anthony R Babbage : Well, thank you.
11:04 AM Anthony R Babbage : I hope you enjoyed the conversation, as much as I did?
11:04 AM Amazon (CSA) : You're most welcome!

It was a pleasure assisting a valued customer like you.

Thank you for contacting Amazon Customer Service. You have a great day!

Please click on end chat if you have got your resolution!
Happy Diwali!
11:05 AM Amazon (CSA) : Definitely enjoyed!
11:05 AM Amazon (CSA) : We appreciate having you as our customer and look forward to serving you again.

11:05 AM Anthony R Babbage : I'll definetly let you know when the continuum hypothesis is solved...
11:05 AM Anthony R Babbage : Bye. Goodnight.

11:05 AM Anthony R Babbage has left the conversation.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#5 2014-10-22 18:24:04

Arna
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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Amazon(CSA) wrote:

It was a pleasure assisting a valued customer like you..

I do not think that Somnath did really have pleasure assisting a valued customer like you....


Nothing is impossible as the statement itself states I M POSSIBLE
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#6 2014-10-22 18:31:19

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

GiB had a good time, though.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#7 2014-10-22 18:51:24

Arna
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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Gib??


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#8 2014-10-22 18:52:04

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Genius is Back!


Meaningless, meaningless, Everything is meaningless! - Ecclesiastes 1:2

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#9 2014-10-22 18:53:36

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Ricky ia a genious!


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#10 2014-10-22 18:57:15

Arna
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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Who is Ricky?


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#11 2014-10-22 19:05:36

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Ricky is a former moderator of this forum,


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#12 2014-10-22 19:12:34

Arna
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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

What is Atom topic feed?


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#13 2014-10-22 20:20:26

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

hi Agnishom,

Thank you for clearing up a puzzle for me.  When I try to start a 'chat' session with Amazon there is always one person ahead of me in the queue and their problem seems to take ages to resolve.  Now I know why. 

You could only use EM to get an estimate on delivery by repeating the order many times and collecting data.  To avoid the high cost of the experiment here are some bounds for you, obtained by theory rather than EM:

Further information on this can be found at

http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/End_of_the_universe

Hope that helps.  smile

Bob

Last edited by bob bundy (2014-10-22 20:29:23)


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#14 2014-10-22 20:50:45

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

That is not quite correct, he is still a moderator here.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#15 2014-10-22 22:27:40

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Atoms feed is like RSS.

Those bounds are very helpful. The article mentions God Machine, which I do not understand though.

He does not moderate anymore


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#16 2014-10-22 22:37:57

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

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Someone can give this answer?


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#17 2014-10-22 22:43:45

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

I do not understand the question...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#18 2014-10-22 22:45:55

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

yeah i couldn't either
I think by 6 persons it is meant the total number of guardians and and children
and Princi means the principal
Can anyone give me the answer?

Last edited by Arna (2014-10-22 22:46:26)


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#19 2014-10-22 22:50:14

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Is the answer 6?

PS: no, it is not. It is a good question. Le t me think

Last edited by Agnishom (2014-10-22 22:50:51)


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#20 2014-10-22 22:52:13

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Ok take your time
I also thought 6 at first but then it turned out to be a wrong answer
sad


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#21 2014-10-22 22:53:39

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

The answer is 360.

Silly me


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#22 2014-10-22 22:55:08

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

Agnishom are you sure?


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#23 2014-10-22 22:57:55

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

https://brilliant.org/community-problem/the-interview/

Is it this?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#24 2014-10-22 22:59:25

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

yes .
Is something wrong with that problem?


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#25 2014-10-22 23:06:07

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Re: Experimental Mathematics Troll

I will ask some people. I cannot solve it though


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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