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Before I start talking, let me see how many of you know Jules Gilbert. Please do not look him up yet.

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Sorry, never heard of him.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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Nor me.

Bob

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**niharika_kumar****Member**- From: Numeraland
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i don't know him.

friendship is tan 90°.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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The compression guy?

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As opposed to WEB Technologies, Jules Gilbert <jules@aasp.net> does not

claim to compress *all* files, but only "random or random-appearing" files.

Here are some quotes from a few of Mr Gilbert's articles, which can be helpful

to get a better idea of his claims. No comments or conclusions are given; if

you need more information contact Mr. Gilbert directly.

I shall post a email conversation between some guy called Mark and Jules Gilbert. I pity the fact that the so-called genius Mark never actually wishes to see the experiment. What if Mathematics is Kaboobly Doo? What if Jules is actually right?

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I was afraid of this.

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Do not be afraid. The transcript will not contain any inappropiate content.

'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I have read most of that before.

What if Mathematics is Kaboobly Doo? What if Jules is actually right?

What if he is wrong?

You should read Underwood Dudley's book before you go any further with guys like that.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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He says that he has evidence. It is much more important than any math analysis.

You gave me this viewpoint, remember. ^^^

He was denied a chance to present his evidence.

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Before we go over those points you should have both sides of the argument. Find and read Dudley's book.

You gave me this viewpoint, remember.

I appreciate that you remember something of our conversations. I only wish you would be applying it where it belongs.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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It belongs to computer science.

How can I get that book? Does reading it require the expenditure of a lot of time and energy?

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Yes, it is a difficult book to read.

It belongs to computer science.

You should be using those ideas on computational mathematics not on the ravings of 2 fanatics.

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bobbym wrote:

What if he is wrong?

that has been considered many times. The other side is rarely viewed.

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am not defending the other side.

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You are defending the math side?

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am not defending either side.

Mathematics is beautiful, mathematicians are not. Science is beautiful, scientists are not.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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i am not defending any side, either.

I am just saying that he needs to be given a chance.

mathematicians are not beautiful? I thought you are ruggedly handsome

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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I am just saying that he needs to be given a chance.

Do you not believe in cause and effect?

I am not a mathematician and do not want to be one.

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What sort of cause and effect?

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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The Dudley book illustrates it well. If you are not a mathematician and make a great discovery they are not even going to listen to you. This is also true in science.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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That is true, but it is not the ideal situation.

Galileo made a great discovery but everyone was against it, too

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Because he disagreed with the ruling group of that day. The same situation exists today, the new church is science. Disagree with them and you see what happens.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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The fact is that Galileo was correct.

Gilbert could be correct too

'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'

I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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That I am not arguing about. I am not an expert on compression theory so I do not know who is right and who is wrong exactly. I have an opinion.

**In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.****If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.**** Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.**

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