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**Amartyanil****Member**- From: Universe
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Hi;

How to convert:

I. Decimal to Binary and vice versa

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi Amartyanil;

By hand or by computer?

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**Amartyanil****Member**- From: Universe
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Hi bobbym;

By hand

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Not even a calculator?

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**anonimnystefy****Real Member**- From: Harlan's World
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You don't need a calculator for that.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Maybe for very small numbers but everything is easier when you have a little computing power.

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**Amartyanil****Member**- From: Universe
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Hi bobbym;

First tell it by hand; then a calculator

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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The way I do it is by making a little table of powers of 2.

2^0 = 1

2^1 = 2

2^2 = 4

2^3 = 8

2^4 = 16

2^5 = 32

2^6 = 64

2^7 = 128

Now supposing we want to change 105 from binary to decimal. We get the closest power of 2 that is smaller or equal. We see in the above chart that it is 2^6 = 64. So put a 1 and subtract 105 - 64 = 41.

Now just go down the line does 2^5 fit in 41? Yes it does so add a 1 next to that 1.

11 and say 41 - 32 = 9

2^4 is larger than 9 so put a 0 next to that 1.

110

2^3 is smaller than 9 so put a 1

1101 and say 9 - 8 = 1

2^2 is larger than 1 so put a 0

11010

2^1 is larger than 1 so put a 0

110100

2^0 is exactly equal to 1 so put a 1

1101001 and say 1 - 1 = 0

We are done.

105 = 1101001 in binary

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**bob bundy****Moderator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi Amartyanil

If I have to do this by hand, here's the method I'd use for any number base.

Step 1. work out the column headings for that base.

Step 2. Starting with the biggest of these, subtract as many times as possible, then

Step 3, 4 etc continue with the lower powers until I'm down to units.

eg. Change 1123 into base 8

Step 1 the headings are 1, 8, 64, 512, .... I can see by inspection that 512 is as high as I'll need to go.

Step 2. 1123 - **2***512 = 99 so the number in the '512' column will be **2**

Step 3. 99 - **1***64 = 35 so the number in the '64' column will be **1**

Step 4. 35 - **4***8 = 3 so the number in the '8' column will be **4**

Step 5. As my remainder is now less than 8 the number in the 'units' column will be **3**

Final answer 1123 in base 10 is 2143 in base 8

Screen shot below shows the steps more neatly and how I checked that I'd got it right.

And here's a quick way to change that to binary.

In binary the first three columns are 4, 2 and 1

So you can change each octal digit into a 3 digit binary number thus

2143 becomes 010 001 100 011 and there's the binary version.

check 1 + 2 + 32 + 64 + 1024 = 1123

Bob

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi all;

Or as the Russian do?!

To change 530 to binary.

Make this grid:

The first column was created by dividing 530 by 2 and if there was a remainder ignoring it. The second column was created by the rule if the number next to it is even put a 0, if odd, put a 1.

Now start from the bottom

530 decimal = 1000010010 binary.

Lets do another one.

11571 decimal = 10110100110011 binary

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**Amartyanil****Member**- From: Universe
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Hi bobbym;

In my book of Computer Science(Now I am in 7th Grade), the Russian method is taught, i think it is quite easier.

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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They are very clever programmers. So you are in the 7th grade now, I am looking forward to seeing more of you.

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What is the Indian way?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Me or him?

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You or him what?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Are you asking me or Amartyanil?

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Anybody who can answer will do

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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You should be able to answer?!

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No, I do not know the Indian way to convert Decimal to Binary. What is it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I do not know their exact way either but I am sure they are using one of the methods that everybody else does.

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I am an Indian. I can usually convert small numbers inside my head. If the numbers are large, I use a computer.

I also have an awesome wiki on bit hacks. Have you seen it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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I did not even know about it. Where is it?

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**bobbym****Administrator**- From: Bumpkinland
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Good ole Hamming, nice page!

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Thanks!

Have you seen my wiki page on binary heap?

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