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#76 2012-11-07 06:22:04

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Re: Expectation

Hi;

A die is rolled until the same number comes up twice in a row. What is the expected number of rolls?


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I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#77 2012-11-07 07:19:14

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It's like I read your mind. I had already done that one on my own. The answer should be 12. And for three same numbers in a row, I get 43.


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#78 2012-11-07 07:24:01

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Hi;

I do not recommend trying to read my mind. A girl I knew tried that and it was instantly fatal. A couple of biophysicists believe that total protonic reversal caused massive neuronic damage to the lobar condulum.

Your answer is not correct.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#79 2012-11-07 08:23:06

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New answer: 7.


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#80 2012-11-07 08:35:32

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Hi;

That is not right either. Actually, the problem is related to a CCP but we have not covered that yet.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#81 2012-11-07 08:42:19

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Are you sure?


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#82 2012-11-07 08:45:00

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Yes I am sure. How are you getting 7?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#83 2012-11-07 08:46:53

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Markov chain!

((0,1,0),(0,5/6,1/6),(0,0,1))

What are you getting?


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#84 2012-11-07 08:52:48

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Hi;

Sorry, I am doing the wrong problem! 7 is correct. Very good answer!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#85 2012-11-07 08:54:18

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Thanks. What problem were you doing?


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#86 2012-11-07 08:57:42

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Something I am just trying to learn and the guys bad latexing fouled up everything. I do not know why that should affect your problem but it did, sorry.

Please label your Markov chain and put it into the correct form as we discussed.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#87 2012-11-07 09:01:26

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Correct form?


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#88 2012-11-07 09:08:54

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Post # 28 and #36 has a starting explanation that will help. Also label the what went where.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#89 2012-11-07 11:12:23

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Do I really have to?


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#90 2012-11-07 11:58:15

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Hi;

Yes, please do. Labeling is very important for me to see if you have arranged the matrix correctly.

Generally the most important part of solving any problem is labeling, naming and neat work!


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#91 2012-11-08 01:29:49

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Of course it is not.

You would be surprised how the notebook I do math in looks.


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#92 2012-11-08 04:40:53

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Hi;

You would be surprised how the notebook I do math in looks.

I hope it is nice and neat. Now what about the labeled matrix I asked for?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#93 2012-11-08 04:55:19

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It is the exact opposite of nice and neat.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-11-08 04:57:43)


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#94 2012-11-08 05:13:48

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Hi;

Okay, thank you but I am unable to get that into correct form!  What was your calculation to get 7?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#95 2012-11-08 06:28:12

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Well, when you strip away the absorbing state, you get ((0,1),(0,5/6)). Then you do the (I-P)[sup]-1[/sup] thing.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-11-08 06:28:28)


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#96 2012-11-08 07:58:12

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Kayrect! That is very good.

And do we have another way to solve the problem?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#97 2012-11-08 08:21:29

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Yes we do. A formula.

E=1/6 * 2+5/6 * (E+1)


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#98 2012-11-08 08:48:08

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And another way?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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#99 2012-11-08 08:53:39

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With a simulation.


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#100 2012-11-08 08:57:55

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And yet another way?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.

I agree with you regarding the satisfaction and importance of actually computing some numbers. I can't tell you how often I see time and money wasted because someone didn't bother to run the numbers.

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