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## #76 2012-11-08 05:22:04

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Hi;

A die is rolled until the same number comes up twice in a row. What is the expected number of rolls?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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## #77 2012-11-08 06:19:14

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It's like I read your mind. I had already done that one on my own. The answer should be 12. And for three same numbers in a row, I get 43.

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## #78 2012-11-08 06:24:01

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I do not recommend trying to read my mind. A girl I knew tried that and it was instantly fatal. A couple of biophysicists believe that total protonic reversal caused massive neuronic damage to the lobar condulum.

Your answer is not correct.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #79 2012-11-08 07:23:06

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New answer: 7.

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #80 2012-11-08 07:35:32

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That is not right either. Actually, the problem is related to a CCP but we have not covered that yet.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #81 2012-11-08 07:42:19

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Are you sure?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #82 2012-11-08 07:45:00

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Yes I am sure. How are you getting 7?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #83 2012-11-08 07:46:53

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Markov chain!

((0,1,0),(0,5/6,1/6),(0,0,1))

What are you getting?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #84 2012-11-08 07:52:48

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Sorry, I am doing the wrong problem! 7 is correct. Very good answer!

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #85 2012-11-08 07:54:18

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Thanks. What problem were you doing?

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #86 2012-11-08 07:57:42

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Something I am just trying to learn and the guys bad latexing fouled up everything. I do not know why that should affect your problem but it did, sorry.

Please label your Markov chain and put it into the correct form as we discussed.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #87 2012-11-08 08:01:26

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Correct form?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #88 2012-11-08 08:08:54

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Post # 28 and #36 has a starting explanation that will help. Also label the what went where.

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #89 2012-11-08 10:12:23

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Do I really have to?

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“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #90 2012-11-08 10:58:15

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Yes, please do. Labeling is very important for me to see if you have arranged the matrix correctly.

Generally the most important part of solving any problem is labeling, naming and neat work!

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #91 2012-11-09 00:29:49

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Of course it is not.

You would be surprised how the notebook I do math in looks.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #92 2012-11-09 03:40:53

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You would be surprised how the notebook I do math in looks.

I hope it is nice and neat. Now what about the labeled matrix I asked for?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #93 2012-11-09 03:55:19

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It is the exact opposite of nice and neat.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-11-09 03:57:43)

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #94 2012-11-09 04:13:48

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Okay, thank you but I am unable to get that into correct form!  What was your calculation to get 7?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #95 2012-11-09 05:28:12

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Well, when you strip away the absorbing state, you get ((0,1),(0,5/6)). Then you do the (I-P)-1 thing.

Last edited by anonimnystefy (2012-11-09 05:28:28)

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #96 2012-11-09 06:58:12

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Kayrect! That is very good.

And do we have another way to solve the problem?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #97 2012-11-09 07:21:29

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Yes we do. A formula.

E=1/6 * 2+5/6 * (E+1)

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #98 2012-11-09 07:48:08

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And another way?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

## #99 2012-11-09 07:53:39

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With a simulation.

The limit operator is just an excuse for doing something you know you can't.
“It's the subject that nobody knows anything about that we can all talk about!” ― Richard Feynman
“Taking a new step, uttering a new word, is what people fear most.” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

## #100 2012-11-09 07:57:55

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And yet another way?

In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
All physicists, and a good many quite respectable mathematicians are contemptuous about proof.

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