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#401 2016-03-27 17:12:14

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

They can alter their bets, they can mark cards, they can hold out cards, they can run in a cold deck...


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#402 2016-03-27 17:17:56

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

What deck?

Why let them touch the cards?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#403 2016-03-27 17:20:14

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Some games do not but back in the old days they did. Also, cheating is rare and 99% of the dealers would not know it ever happened.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#404 2016-03-27 17:35:11

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

So, wouldn't the house be happy that you're helping them?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#405 2016-03-27 17:37:29

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

The house does not trust its own dealers and there are floormen who stand over them.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#406 2016-03-27 17:48:32

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

What do they do?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#407 2016-03-27 17:54:02

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

They watch the dealers. The pit boss watches the floormen. The shift boss watches the pit bosses. The Casin--o manager watches the shiftbosses. The owner watches the casin--o manager...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#408 2016-03-27 17:59:22

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Okay, I have a question.

Why do people blackjack?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#409 2016-03-27 18:00:01

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

I do not understand...Do you mean play blackjack?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#410 2016-03-27 18:00:56

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Yes, that was very funny


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#411 2016-03-27 18:01:35

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

They wish to gamble, they wish to make money.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#412 2016-03-27 18:07:54

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Well, they could be loosing money as well.

Plus, there is a definitive strategy dictated by blackjack probability. Given a paper and a pencil and a computer, we all can figure that out.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#413 2016-03-27 18:11:51

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

They are gambling remember.

That is the essence of card counting and that is another story.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#414 2016-03-27 18:13:35

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It is not a very meaningful gamble. You should gamble only when your expected utility is positive.

Please narrate the story of card counting.


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#415 2016-03-27 18:17:37

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

It is not a very meaningful gamble. You should gamble only when your expected utility is positive.

When you are doing that, you are not gambling! You are earning money, your opponents who have negative expectation are gambling.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#416 2016-03-27 18:19:24

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Are the people with the negative expectations gambling of the goodness of their hearts?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#417 2016-03-27 18:23:04

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Nope, gambling is an addiction. The thrill of winning money is hard to describe, it is akin to drinking or substance abuse. That is what motivates them.

The pro, works hard on and off the game. He usually gets the money. He has a positive expectation and he knows why. He understands the pain and joy the gamblers get. He exploits their weaknesses. Of course nothing is free and the pro suffers too in the long run.

See you later.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#418 2016-03-27 19:27:38

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

But by definition the pro has positive expected utility?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#419 2016-03-27 20:28:58

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Yes but their are moral concerns.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#420 2016-03-28 05:13:01

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

What moral principle is the consistent winner violating?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#421 2016-03-28 05:20:13

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

What his conscience tells him.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#422 2016-03-28 14:17:49

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Is the pro harming the immatures?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#423 2016-03-28 14:57:24

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

If God did not want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep - Tuco

A typical reppie viewpoint. The pro is smarter than the amateurs, can he not find something better to do with his intelligence?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#424 2016-03-28 22:44:46

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

But the amateurs entered the contract willingly and they have free will


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
'God exists because Mathematics is consistent, and the devil exists because we cannot prove it'
I'm not crazy, my mother had me tested.

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#425 2016-03-28 23:18:27

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Re: Math Pick-up Lines

Yes, that was my argument too... But pappym argued differently. He did not convince me at first but he was right.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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