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#101 Re: Help Me ! » Birthday problem » 2013-07-16 07:17:33

Sorry, to quote:

"The probability that the kth integer randomly chosen from [1, d] will repeat at least one previous choice equals q(k − 1; d) above. The expected total number of times a selection will repeat a previous selection as n such integers are chosen equals:

"

I can't see what to do with this, either, but I suppose you could incorporate the expected total number of collisions into your calculation, along with the probability of two collisions already calculated. I just don't know how you would do that. If you know of a computer model, though, I'd be very happy just to have a numerical answer, I can understand that it would be very difficult to calculate this algebraically smile

#102 Re: Help Me ! » Birthday problem » 2013-07-16 07:09:26

I think his suggestion was about 3 & 4, yes.

I was having a lot of problems with 1 & 2, but then someone pointed me in the direction of the formula:

Where n is the number of people in the group, k is the range of days (so k = 7 in the case where I'm trying to calculate the number of people required in the group for me to be certain that two of them have birthdays within a week of each other) and m = 365 (the number of days, excluding the 29th of February.)

Using this, I was able to get the same answers as you smile

I'm completely stuck on 3 & 4, though. I can understand that there isn't an algebraic solution to this problem, but is there a numerical one? The only advice i've been given is to try and make use of that formula, but I wouldn't know what to do with it! tongue

#103 Re: Help Me ! » Birthday problem » 2013-07-16 00:20:12

Thank you bobbym, that's great. I've been playing with the numbers myself and I'm completely with you on 1 & 2 smile. 3 & 4 are utterly beyond me, though. Someone suggested the formula in the wikipedia article under collision counting as a possible approach to me, but i've no idea, really, what to do with it tongue

#104 Help Me ! » Birthday problem » 2013-07-15 05:20:56

Au101
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Hi, I've been looking at the birthday problem (which is a statistical problem which aims at finding out the how many people you would need in a random group to be certain that two of them shared a birthday. Obviously the vacuous answer is 367, but as it turns out, there is a probability of 99% that two people will share a birthday in a group of just 57 and 50% in a group of just 23 (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem)).

Okay, this is fair enough and very interesting, but I was trying to take the principle further. i wanted to find out how many people you'd need to be confident that two of them shared a birthday in the same week and then how many shared a birthday in the same month, then how many shared a birthday in the same two month period. Unfortunately, I got completely confused, so I came over here. I know this is 3 questions in one, but i imagine it's just number shunting.

I was also playing with the numbers for a friend and trying to work out the probability that in a random group of five people, two of them would share a birthday in the same month and, i suppose the final question i really have is: imagine a person has met 500 people in their life whom they've really had the chance to get to know. what is the probability that seven of those 500 share a birthday in the same two month period?

I know the last question is quite difficult, but those numbers aren't entirely plucked out of thin air, I was discussing with my friend the statistical significance of her friends sharing birthdays in broad ranges like this.

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I've been thinking about this and I've realised I've not worded this at all clearly. Let me try and make this question intelligible:

Question 1: What is the smallest group of randomly selected people required such that the probability that two of them share a birthday within one week of each other is at least 75%?

Question 2: What is the smallest group of randomly selected people required such that the probability that two of them share a birthday within thirty days of each other is at least 75%?

Question 3: What is the smallest group of randomly selected people required such that the probability that seven of them share a birthday within sixty days of each other is at least 75%?

Question 4: In a group of 30 randomly selected people, what is the probability that seven of them will share a birthday within fifty days of each other?

#105 Re: Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-13 02:26:29

i think you're right, thank you very much bobbym smile

#106 Re: Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-13 00:44:21

Thank you very much to both bobs, tehe, I only wonder if anybody knows how:

Could have been obtained. If only out of interest

#107 Re: Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-12 15:27:21

Hmmm...that's what i was trying to do, well, I really need to get off to bed, but for what it's worth, our old friend Wolfram gives, as its answer to

This:

Which I can get from my answer, so I guess it's just a question of laws of logs, I don't suppose anyone has any ideas?

#108 Re: Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-12 15:04:29

Okay, thanks a lot bobbym, i'll give it a try in the morning, perhaps i just made a mistake when i put:

Back into the equation, which is why I couldn't get the answer which the book has:

#109 Re: Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-12 14:52:32

Sorry bobbym, yes, i agree, i get the same for both.

#110 Re: Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-12 14:51:30

I hadn't, but having done so, my answer:

Gives me:

And wolfram's gives:

Which, surely, is equivalent to:

#111 Help Me ! » Integration by substitution and natural logarithms » 2013-06-12 13:57:26

Au101
Replies: 14

Hello again smile

I've been doing a bit of practice of integration by substitution and it was all going very well until I got to a question involving the natural logarithm and I got a bit stuck because it's been rather a long time...Anyway, i'm complaining again tongue Here's the question:

Well, this one wasn't that easy, but my working so far (which I think is on the right track, but maybe here's where my problem is after all) goes like this:

From which I get:

But the fact that I can't get the correct answer from here and that wolfram alpha tells me that:

Rather makes me suspect that I'm wrong about this tongue I'm sure it must have something to do with the fact that the natural logarithm isn't defined for z ≤ 0, but i just can't seem to work out why this is the correct answer and my textbook disperses it's calculus over the course of the book just a bit so it's not that easy to find this information, at least not without starting from page one and working through to the very end tongue

#112 Re: Help Me ! » Rates of change (conical vessel) » 2013-06-07 00:40:03

Okay, thanks bob bundy smile I don't think I'll worry about it too much, I mean, I just want to get my calculus back to a good enough level to start looking at some new maths and physics &c., so it's just some general practice smile It's good for me to understand as much as possible though smile

#113 Re: Help Me ! » Rates of change (conical vessel) » 2013-06-06 23:58:43

So, surely, I should keep them? The answer book simply has

I had thought that maybe the answer book was giving a simplified answer, it's an old A-level book, but the syllabus was very different back then, so I'm never sure what I'm expected to know tongue But looking at it, if I draw a graph, I don't think T can ever - on this graph - be above N on the y-axis, so - presumably - the distance can always be given by N - T, with no need to worry about what would happen if T were to occur above N, giving a negative distance?

#114 Re: Help Me ! » Rates of change (conical vessel) » 2013-06-06 07:43:02

Just a very very quick point of confusion I'd like to clear up, if I may: I have the question:

And after some mathematics, I come up with the solution that the length l of NT is:

Which agrees with the answer book, except the answer book does not have the modulus sign. I just wanted to clear-up why I can simply get rid of the modulus signs in this case, since my rustiness even extends to calculations of distance hmm tongue

#115 Re: Help Me ! » Rates of change (conical vessel) » 2013-06-06 02:57:19

It's great to be back, bob bundy smile Thanks so much. I have a feeling you're right, I just didn't have enough confidence in my answer, but the book agrees with me that the answer to part (ii) is:

{7/3} and anonimnystefy, you're absolutely right. We know that h varies with t, specifically, it varies at the uniform rate of:

(As the question tells us.)

And we know that V varies with h, specifically, it varies at a rate of:

(According to my calculations)

We know, then, that V also varies with t, since it varies with h, which varies with t. Specifically, by the chain rule, it varies at a rate of:

#116 Help Me ! » Rates of change (conical vessel) » 2013-06-05 12:15:30

Au101
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Okay, so, having hopefully got myself re-acquainted with the very basics of differentiation, I now realise how much basic geometry I've forgotten tongue (sigh - if only i still had my formula books tongue). Anyway, enough complaining, so I'm looking at the chain rule and rates of change and the first question I have is:

So, does anyone know where I've gone wrong?

#117 Re: Help Me ! » Introductory Limits » 2013-06-05 07:03:16

Ahhh thank you anonimnystefy, now I see, because of course

And then all the terms in between cancel smile That's a great help smile

#118 Help Me ! » Introductory Limits » 2013-06-05 06:36:33

Au101
Replies: 3

Hello everyone,

So, I've been away from maths for a while and - since I've missed it - I decided I wanted to brush up on my calculus a bit, which has deteriorated rather a lot. Anyway, I've been reading through an old textbook of mine and I've come across the line:

I don't know if I'm just missing an obvious fact since everything's a bit slow and clunky for me these days, but I can't see where the second line comes from and was hoping someone might be able to explain it to me. Thanks smile

#119 Re: Help Me ! » The three zeros of a polynomial » 2012-09-24 21:43:15

I'm not sure what exactly your approach would be. Originally, I just posted my approach:

If 2 is a zero of the polynomial, then (x - 2) is a factor.

(By polynomial long-division)

Therefore, the other zero is -1

But having re-read your first post, I think that might be what you would have done anyway. I'm not sure that I know any more efficient method. But I suggest you just divide once and then factorise, that - at least - might make things a little faster?

#121 Re: Help Me ! » adding any number to infinity » 2012-09-03 02:18:09

Oh yes, that's absolutely true smile and a very nice fact. In the universe of mathematics this is fine, the only problem would be if you tried to do it yourself! tongue

#122 Re: Help Me ! » adding any number to infinity » 2012-08-28 00:05:11

noelevans makes an interesting and - of course - entirely correct point which also touches on the idea of infinitesimals. Naturally, however, in the same way that it is not possible (assuming one number per second) to count even as far as 3 billion, it is not possible to count all the numbers in 2 seconds, not even theoretically (well not in this universe anyway), since the Planck time is a finite period of time and no observable change is thought to be able to take place on a time-scale which is smaller than this.

There are a few paradoxes yes (potentially anyway). I think that makes it rather more fun smile

#123 Re: Help Me ! » adding any number to infinity » 2012-08-27 03:11:46

Well, if we do away with aleph numbers and the like and just concentrate on this abstract concept ∞, then we have to think about what infinity is. This is perhaps not the most clear-cut question in the world, but - really - we can think of infinity by playing a counting game. As we count the numbers:

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9...

We add one to each number to get the next number. We can go on counting:

...1,000, 1,001, 1,002, 1,003, 1,004, 1,005...

And on:

...1,000,000, 1,000,001, 1,000,002, 1,000,003...

If we kept on and on counting (although, if we counted one number per second, it would take us over 31.6 years of non-stop counting to reach one billion, so it would not be practically possible to do this, just theoretically) we can reach numbers of immense size, such as Graham's number, which far far outstrips the number of atoms in the universe. In fact, I don't think it would even be possible to imagine how much bigger Graham's number is than that. And we can carry on and what it's pretty easy to realise here is that it can go on forever, we can always keep adding one to make the next bigger number, with no end to the counting. This is where the concept of ∞ comes in.

In the theories of calculus and many other areas of mathematics, we use the symbol to denote unboundedness, really, doing it over and over without end. It is not really treated as a number. If we want to try to treat it as a number and do operations on it, we really need something like Cantor's cardinal arithmetic. But, without going into all of that, we can make it a little more intuitive and just say that ∞ is the end of counting. This is not all that precise, really, but if we just want to get our heads around what this symbol: ∞ means, we have to look back to counting. Essentially ∞ says that I can go on adding 1 for ever and ever and ever and it will not end (in-finite), so I will use this symbol ∞ to mean the point beyond which I cannot keep counting. For this reason 1 + ∞= ∞  and 1 - ∞ = -∞

#124 Re: Help Me ! » Imaginary exponent » 2012-08-20 01:35:39

Which, equivalently, can be expressed:

0.540... + i(0.841...)

Although, obviously, this is not nearly as neat smile

#125 Re: Help Me ! » Quadratic Equation » 2012-07-28 04:50:42

Hehe! smile Useful trick, though, I got rather good at it when I was doing complex numbers, but that was a while ago now and - after staring at 2x^2 - x - 16 = 0 for a little while before realising it wouldn't factorise, I set about trying trawl the method up from the bottom of my brain tongue

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