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**ganesh****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-28
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**This is a brilliant approximation for factorials, particularly, factorials of higher order numbers.For example, 1000! as per this formula is 4.023537292 x 10^2567. The actual value as per the calculator in the scientific mode is 4.0238726 x 10^2567. ** :cool::cool:

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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sweetness!

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**Identity****Member**- Registered: 2007-04-18
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mikau wrote:

sweetness!

Very much so, if you think an error of

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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I just like how it contains both pi and e.

A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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**TheDude****Member**- Registered: 2007-10-23
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Identity wrote:

mikau wrote:sweetness!

Very much so, if you think an error of

is ok.

Which comes out to a relative error of 0.008%. I'll take that.

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**Daniel123****Member**- Registered: 2007-05-23
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Identity wrote:

.. not exactly big!mikau wrote:sweetness!

Very much so, if you think an error of

is ok.

EDIT: Aah post collison

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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depends on what your priorities are i guess.

A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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**Identity****Member**- Registered: 2007-04-18
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ganesh wrote:

This is a brilliant approximation for factorials, particularly, factorials of higher order numbers.:cool::cool:

For example, 1000! as per this formula is 4.023537292 x 10^2567. The actual value as per the calculator in the scientific mode is 4.0238726 x 10^2567.

So does this actually converge on the factorial value as n goes to infinity?

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**luca-deltodesco****Member**- Registered: 2006-05-05
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well both n! and the approximation both diverge to infinity as n goes to infinity

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**TheDude****Member**- Registered: 2007-10-23
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Yes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling%27s_approximation

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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i think he meant, does

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A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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I agree that percentage difference is more important than absolute difference.

If you consider the absolute argument the other way, you could say that 10mg of poison on your food is only 10mg more than the recommended amount and so not worth worrying about.

On the same theme, I would guess that this is false:

, but this is true:

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**luca-deltodesco****Member**- Registered: 2006-05-05
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isnt that identical? the only time that that would converge to 1, is if the first converged to 0?

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**MathsIsFun****Administrator**- Registered: 2005-01-21
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Because the error may grow, but not as fast as n! grows.

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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yeah. Note

but

*Last edited by mikau (2007-12-11 13:20:49)*

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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What additional requirement can we impose so that Luca's statement holds?

"In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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Equality? That is, instead of

just getting arbitrarily close to 1, it actually has to get there.Why did the vector cross the road?

It wanted to be normal.

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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Certainly you can come up with a restriction far less restricting than that. Remember, this restriction can't apply to Mikau's example.

"In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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if the two limits each converge to the same finite number?

*Last edited by mikau (2007-12-12 05:08:17)*

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**Ricky****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-12-04
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Bingo.

"In the real world, this would be a problem. But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist. So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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**TheDude****Member**- Registered: 2007-10-23
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It is also possible for the absolute error to approach 0 while the limits themselves diverge to infinity. As a trivial example, let f(x) = x^2 and g(x) = x^2 + 1/x. Then

and

but

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**mikau****Member**- Registered: 2005-08-22
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Ricky wrote:

Bingo.

awesome! But are there any other restrictions that would do it?

A logarithm is just a misspelled algorithm.

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