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#1 2006-10-22 22:52:24

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Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Had some fun with graphics and explanations.

Have a read of Platonic Solids - Why Five?, and tell me if it makes sense (and if I made any mistakes smile)


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#2 2006-10-23 00:19:20

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Ooh, very nice. I'd never seen a proof of why there were only 5 Platonic solids before, so that was very interesting. And it all looks accurate and punctuated and stuff as well. smile


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#3 2006-10-25 14:05:51

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

I have now added another page which talks more about Euler's Formula

I wasn't sure how to approach it, because "F+V-E=2" is often taught, so I thought "OK, let's do that, then show it isn't"

Good strategy? Or does it not flow very well?

And I am not sure if I am on solid ground when I say "that doesn't intersect itself". Convention is to just say "not concave", but a polyhedron can be concave and still have F+V-E=2. Anyone have any better knowledge on this?


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#4 2006-10-25 21:29:09

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Wow. I'd never thought about any shape like those. I just knew that F+V-E=2 for any solids I tried it on, so assumed it was always true.

So does that mean that Euler's formula is useless now? F+V-E = something

Or can you define a set of properties so that any solid that meets them will make F+V-E=2 work?

Nice page though. Very interesting, and I couldn't find any mistakes. Although there might be some that can only be spotted by advanced topologists.


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#5 2006-10-25 21:39:14

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Noticed one mistake;

Likewise if you included another vertex (say half way along a line)
you would get an extra edge, too.

Not really a mistake; Just that halfway, in this sense, would be a single word. wink

No other mistakes are visible to me on that page. It certainly is very informative and gives the reader a huge idea of more on Platonic Solids. Nice work; Yet another document to add to the collection. smile

EDIT: I must be an advanced topologist, then. tongue

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#6 2006-10-25 23:57:58

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

mathsyperson wrote:

Or can you define a set of properties so that any solid that meets them will make F+V-E=2 work?

For all solids that can be "deformed" to the sphere it still holds. So that is an entire class of solids.

Another class of solids can be deformed to a torus, and for them F+V-E=1

I didn't go into on that page, but there is a 2D equivalent of F+V-E=2, and it is V-E=0

And the 1D version is V=2

In fact it goes like this for "non intersecting" shapes:

0D: 0
1D: V=2
2D: V-E=0
3D: F+V-E=2
4D: F+V-E-(something)=0
etc!

Each dimension needs a new parameter, and the sum goes 0,2,0,2,...

Perhaps I should mention that?


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#7 2006-10-26 01:20:20

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

I wouldn't. It's mightily interesting stuff, but it would probably just cause confusion. "What? But there isn't a 4th dimension! That makes no sense. sad" By all means, make a different page about higher dimensions, but talking about it here would have too many subjects on one page.

In my opinion, that is.

Devanté wrote:

I must be an advanced topologist, then. tongue

Not necessarily. Don't make me go Boolean on you.


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#8 2006-10-26 01:50:49

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

mathsyperson wrote:

... Although there might be some that can only be spotted by advanced topologists ...

Sorry, I couldn't resist taking advantage of that statement.


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#9 2012-02-06 22:43:10

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

UPDATE!

Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Added the first (much simpler) explanation. Does it read fine? Any mistooks?


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#10 2012-02-06 23:13:08

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Hi MathsIsFun;

Reading the earlier posts, the update is clearer.


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I have the result, but I do not yet know how to get it.
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#11 2012-02-07 00:19:57

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Re: Platonic Solids - Why Five?

Hi MathsIsFun,

The explanation is clearer. Thanks!


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