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**yonski****Member**- Registered: 2005-12-14
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Hi there,

just going through some differentiation exercises but i've found one or two i can't figure out...

1. (a) If (1+x)(2+y) = x^2 + y^2 , find dy/dx in terms of y and x.

(b) Show that there are two points at which the tangents to the curve are parallel to the y-axis.

Now i've done part (a) and found dy/dx = (2x-2-y)/(1+x-2y) . I think that's right, but how on earth do you do part (b)?!

And this is the second question...

2. Find the coordinates of the turning point on the curve y^3 + 3xy^2 - x^3 = 3 .

I thought it looked relatively simple - find dy/dx then set it as equal to zero. But when i do this i end up with

(x^2 - y^2)/(y+2x) = 0 , and i don't know where to go from there lol.

Thanks for any help!

Jon.

*Last edited by yonski (2006-10-19 21:34:16)*

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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dy/dx is tangent slope, so you can find some time when 1+x-2y is zero while 2x-2-y not.

A turning point also satisfies a condition that defferientials have opposite signs between on the left and on the right.

So that the slopes are like this /-\ or like this \-/

x^2-y^2=0 **=>** (x+y)(x-y)=0 **=>** x=y or x=-y

**X'(y-Xβ)=0**

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**mathsyperson****Moderator**- Registered: 2005-06-22
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I've just worked through 1a) and I get the same answer as you, which is good.

For 1b), it wants the points at which the tangent is parallel to the y-axis. This means that the gradient would have to be undefined, and so the denominator of dy/dx would have to be 0.

So now we have 1+x-2y = 0, or y = (x+1)/2. However, we need to find the points at which the original equation works as well.

So now we have (1+x)(2+(x+1)/2) = x² + ((x+1)/2)², by substituting in the value of y.

This looks rather nasty, but by rearranging it for a bit we can turn it into the much nicer 3x²-10x-9 = 0. This is a quadratic equation that comes out as x = (5±2√(13))/3

So that's the x-value of your two points, and then you can get the y-values by substituting the x's into one of your equations.

2) is solved in the same way.

You rightly set (x^2 - y^2)/(y+2x) to 0, and now you just need to find values of x and y that satisfy both that and the original cubic equation.

Why did the vector cross the road?

It wanted to be normal.

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**yonski****Member**- Registered: 2005-12-14
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Thanks, that's cleared those up. I was almost there with em, just required a little more thinking outside the box with the first one. So if the gradient is infinite/undefined, there's likely to be a division by zero in there?

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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Yes, you've found it out! Infinity here in fact means some 1/0 or a/0, derived by x and y displacement.

Actually the slope is a kind of directional thinking while the real world is not.

Think of this argument.

Tom loves Maria. So they get married.

In fact it should be this: Tom loves Maria, while Maria loves Tom. So they get married.

The y-x slope is just a tool looking at a line's angle by checking some displacement of x and y from y to x. There is, though, another alternative, x-y slope. And this slope should be 0 without any doubt or undefination.

**X'(y-Xβ)=0**

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**George,Y****Member**- Registered: 2006-03-12
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I mean, how many times is 1 as nothing?

**X'(y-Xβ)=0**

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**yonski****Member**- Registered: 2005-12-14
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What happens if Tom loves Maria, but Maria doesn't love him back?

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