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#1 2006-08-08 22:30:51

espeon
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riddle

there are 2 men, scott and ben(just made them up randomly) scott wioudl go by bens house every sunday to discuss things.  whenever ben asked scott a question scott would always lie but ben came up with a question that scott could never lie to answer as it owuld be obvious that he was lying.

what was the question?


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#2 2006-08-08 23:39:34

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Re: riddle

Something like "Will you answer this with a lie?"


"The physicists defer only to mathematicians, and the mathematicians defer only to God ..."  - Leon M. Lederman

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#3 2006-08-08 23:51:20

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Re: riddle

Probably "is every simply connected closed 3-manifold homeomorphic to the 3-sphere S[sup]3[/sup]?"

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#4 2006-08-09 00:07:41

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Re: riddle

nope no where close ill  try to give u a clue though ummmmmmmmmmmm...........

i cant think of a clue without giving away the answer soz


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#5 2006-08-09 00:44:02

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Re: riddle

"- Scott, are you dead?"
"- Yes."
"- You liar!"


Bang postponed. Not big enough. Reboot.

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#6 2006-08-09 01:02:04

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Re: riddle

yay u got it!


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#7 2006-08-09 02:52:21

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Re: riddle

Wouldn't any question with an obvious answer work?

Is the sky blue?
Do you have 10 fingers?
Is your hair [insert hair color]?
Do you have two eyes?
Does the kernel of a homomorphism between two cyclic groups of the same order contain only one element?
etc.


"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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#8 2006-08-09 02:57:29

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Re: riddle

Probably "is every simply connected closed 3-manifold homeomorphic to the 3-sphere S3?"

Hah!  I didn't realize when I first read this, but that's the poincare conjecture, right?  Nicely done.


"In the real world, this would be a problem.  But in mathematics, we can just define a place where this problem doesn't exist.  So we'll go ahead and do that now..."

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#9 2006-08-09 10:09:45

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Re: riddle

Yeah, it's Poincaré. I like your last question too. And your new avatar, have you been to that place in person to take the photo or did you get it off of the internet?

You know guys, it's not a lie if he thinks it's true. Of course, this depends on your definition of the term. In my view, a lie is telling false information in order to deceive someone. What if the guy is blind and has never heard of the sky being blue? Ok, I'm just making life hard, of course obvious questions(such as the Poincaré conjecture) should satisfy this riddle.

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#10 2006-08-09 10:32:31

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Re: riddle

Took it myself, today.

And as for my last question, it's equivalent to, "Is an isomorphic map 1-1?"  I was trying for a really long an complex question that had a simple answer, but after a few seconds of thinking, I just decided to make a really simple question sound complex.  It was a shortcut, so to speak.


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#11 2006-08-09 20:15:07

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Re: riddle

Ricky wrote:

Wouldn't any question with an obvious answer work?

Is the sky blue?
Do you have 10 fingers?
Is your hair [insert hair color]?
Do you have two eyes?
Does the kernel of a homomorphism between two cyclic groups of the same order contain only one element?
etc.

1.scott could be colour blind
2. he might of lost a finger (dont know how)
3.he might be bald
4. 1 might nto work or be a glass eye
5.i have no idea what that means:D


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#12 2006-08-21 03:43:16

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Re: riddle

espeon wrote:

1.scott could be colour blind
2. he might of lost a finger (dont know how)
3.he might be bald
4. 1 might nto work or be a glass eye
5.i have no idea what that means:D

well he could also be a ghost or a wraith tongue
and couldnt he answer "I dont know" on that question, since ben cant actually be sure if scott knows if he is alive or dead...

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#13 2006-08-21 06:56:14

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Re: riddle

This riddle isn't exactly clear...is Scott forced to lie or to try and find a way out of the question?

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#14 2006-09-15 03:42:22

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Re: riddle

lol he would of had to say no and also thanks Zhylliolom for liking my new avatar and riddle


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#15 2006-09-15 07:26:49

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Re: riddle

I think Zhylliolom was referring to Ricky. wink

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#16 2006-09-16 20:35:39

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Re: riddle

awwwwwwwwwwwww spoil my fun why dont u


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#17 2006-10-09 00:51:01

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Re: riddle

espeon wrote:

lol he would of had to say no and also thanks Zhylliolom for liking my new avatar and riddle

Correction: Zhylliolom was talking to Ricky.

Anyway, I think this ("Does the kernel of a homomorphism between two cyclic groups of the same order contain only one element?") would work, but I'm unsure.

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#18 2006-10-09 03:50:47

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Re: riddle

a whatty of a whatty what whatty?


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#19 2006-10-09 03:56:09

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Re: riddle

A thingy of a thingy of a thingy.

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#20 2006-10-10 07:02:58

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Re: riddle

a whatty of a whatty what whatty of a what whatty what whatty!?


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#21 2006-10-10 07:05:17

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Re: riddle

You'll study this when you're older.

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