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#1 2017-03-05 15:36:14

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Geometric probability----circles

Inside  a  circle  E  there  are  2  smaller  circles  A  and  B  ,both with  radius  being 1/2  of  that  of  E.  Both  A  and  B  can  move  freely  inside  E .If  a point  is  chosen  randomly  on  E , find  the  probability  that  the  point  lies  inside  A  and  B  at  the  same  time.
Will  the  answer  be  simply  1/4 * 1/4 =  1/16  ?

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#2 2017-03-06 04:30:03

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Hi;

I am getting results that suggest the answer is closer to 1 / 9. To check, are both of the smaller circles fully inside the larger circle?


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#3 2017-03-06 14:52:23

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Hi  bobbym ,

The  smaller  circles  must  be  fully  inside  the  big  one , they 
cannot  pass  through  its  circumference .
If  the  answer  is  closer  to  1 / 9 , then  the  result  will  be 
the  same  as  the  case  for  rectangles .

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#4 2017-03-06 15:25:31

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

That I am not sure about. Where as the intersection of two rectangles was another rectangle, the area of the intersection of two circles involves trig functions. So, while I think the answer is close to 1 / 9 or 1 / 10, I do not think it equals a fraction.


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#5 2017-03-06 18:50:43

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#6 2017-03-07 15:34:03

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Thanks  thickhead ,

How  did  you  get  the  result  1/4 - 4 / 3 π^2 , from  integrals  ?

I  know  that  it  is  much  more  complicated  to  find  the  area  of  intersection  of  2  circles , but  it  will  be    necessary   to  solve  this  problem .

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#7 2017-03-07 17:54:32

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#8 2017-03-08 15:48:45

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Hi  thickhead ,

Then  what  will  be  P  for  3  moving  circles  ?

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#9 2017-03-08 16:10:56

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

For 3 moving circles  it is 0.0663554.
For 4 moving circles  it is 0.0433163
For 5 moving circles  it is 0.0305428.
For 6 moving circles  it is 0.0227118.
For 10 moving circles  it is 0.00948101

Last edited by thickhead (2017-03-08 16:11:20)


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#10 2017-03-09 17:15:31

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Thus  the  probability  for  various  polygons  will  be  :

                                 no.  of  moving  polygons                             
   P        ||      1            ||                   2                       ||          3              ||
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circles   ||  1/4 = 0.25  || 1/4 - 4 / 3 π^2 = 0.1149    ||     0.0663            ||

squares  ||  1/4 = 0.25 ||         1/9  = 0.111                ||   1/16 = 0.0625  ||

triangles ||  1/4 = 0.25 ||         1/10 = 0.1                   ||   1/21 = 0.0476  ||

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#11 2017-03-11 16:23:29

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Related  problem  ( I )

Inside  a  circle  E  with  radius   e   unit  there  are  2  smaller  circles  A  and  B   with  radius   a  unit  and  b  unit   respectively  where   a ≤ e   and   b ≤ e . Both  A  and  B  can  move  freely  inside  E . If  a point  is  chosen  randomly  on  E , find  the  probability  that  the  point  lies  inside  A  and  B  at  the  same  time.

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#12 2017-03-16 15:15:35

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Related  problem  ( II )

On  the  surface  of   a  sphere  E   with  circumference  being   1   unit   there  are  2  circles 
A  and  B  both  with   circumferences  being  1/2  unit .  Both  A  and  B  can  move  freely  and  randomly  on  the  surface  of  E .
If  a  point  is  chosen  randomly  on  the  surface  of  E , find  the  probability  that  the  point  lies  inside  A  and  B  ( referring  from  their  minor  portions )  at  the  same  time .

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#13 2017-03-19 15:34:20

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Re: Geometric probability----circles

Related  problem  (III)

2  circles  A  and  B  both  with  radius  1 unit  rotate  freely  and  randomly 
outside  a  circle  E  also  with  radius  1  unit  on  its  circumference .
Find  the  expected  value  of  the  overlapping  area  of  A  and  B .

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