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#1 2017-02-03 16:13:53

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Sum with Binomial Coefficients

How do I simplify this?


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#2 2017-02-03 16:16:25

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Did you try M?


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#3 2017-02-03 17:39:12

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

I did.

Here is a simplified version of that

gif.latex?%5Cmu%5Ez%20%5Csum_%7Bx%3D0%7D%5E%7B%5Ccolor%7Bblue%7Dz%7D%5Cbinom%20z%20x%28%5Cfrac%5Clambda%5Cmu%29%5Ex%7E%3D%7E%20%5Cmu%5Ez%281-%5Cfrac%5Clambda%5Cmu%29%5Ez

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#4 2017-02-03 18:58:27

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Hmmm, why is that simpler?


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#5 2017-02-04 16:31:28

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Don't you see that we can cancel the pair of mu^z in the numerator?


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#6 2017-02-04 16:42:27

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Maybe for certain types of numbers you can make that simplification. There may be other types where you can not. You did not give any constraints on the constants. M warns us about automatically simplifying.

As you know humans say

M knows better and will not.


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#7 2017-02-04 16:46:02

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Okay, I need to be able to deal with these Summations involving Binomial Coefficients without M's help


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#8 2017-02-04 16:47:20

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

There is only one technique that I know of and jimmyR was an expert at it. I never did get the hang of it... It is called the snake oil method. To me asking this question

Okay, I need to be able to deal with these Summations involving Binomial Coefficients without M's help

is like asking I need to deal with problems like 1542366376371562524367477478484881424^19825634716 without M's help. Does not seem to make much sense...

Have you been following the Mathegocart combinatorics questions? I am defending EM rather well do you not think so?

How are you doing in school and in your life? Are you okay?


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#9 2017-02-04 17:19:21

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

It is not that bad, I need to tackle just some small subset of these problems by myself. They keep popping up in my probability theory course.

I have not seen Mathegocart's combinatorics problems. Where do I find them?

I am fine, I guess: I did laundry yesterday. Thanks for checking in. How are you doing?


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#10 2017-02-04 17:53:27

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Hobbling around but still going.

Check out the snake oil method.


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#11 2017-02-04 18:08:30

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

In generatingfunctionology, right?


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#12 2017-02-04 18:09:39

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

I do not remember, it could be in A=B.


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#13 2017-02-04 18:14:56

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Maybe, A = B has a lot of stuff about hypergeometric identities.


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#14 2017-02-04 18:16:44

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

It is in my opinion and gAr's a very bad book.


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#15 2017-02-05 03:12:26

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Whaaaaat? It is a book about experimental mathematics.


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#16 2017-02-05 05:00:06

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

It is not written for us EM guys but appears to be written for those who would never do it!


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#17 2017-02-06 03:50:31

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Dolon Zeilberger is one of the co-authors.


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#18 2017-02-06 03:51:56

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

Yes but I liked Herbert.


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#19 2017-02-06 04:46:16

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Re: Sum with Binomial Coefficients

bobbym wrote:

As you know humans say

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