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#1 2006-07-23 01:20:42

Heldensheld
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Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

I know, I know, I know, mods, this is like the nth time I posted for help with math....and no, n doesn't equal to blablabla infinity to the power of infinity roflol !

Just that I am a bit slow and need help to find the answers. Trust me, i won't be sleeping sleep when you people are working hard shame !

So please help merolleyes: !

Q1 Two circles of radii 4cm and 2cm touch a straight line at A and B as shown. Find the distance between A and B.

A_________________________B with circles on the line.


Q2 A rope is stretched tightly over an plane hangar from A to B. The shape of the hangar is semi-cylindrical. Find the length of the rope. 
Shape is sorta like that with A at one end and B on the other.
5cerfib2.jpg
      (I have no swear clue on this one >.<, stupid weird roof!)



Q3 Solve the problem, "Two numbers have a sum of 1 and a sum of cubes of 31. Find their product!"

I gotta use the (x + y)^3 in it though I think.


Q4  Find a and b given that a^b x b^a = 800, where a and b are integers.



Thanks for your help peoples....One day...ONE DAY, I will help those who need help wave !

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#2 2006-07-23 01:46:22

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

....One day...ONE DAY, I will help those who need help  !

Promise???

Q3:
x+y=1
x^3+y^3=31
Now
(x+y)^3=1=x^3+3x^2y+3xy^2+y^3=
=(x^3+y^3)+3xy(x+y)=31+3xy.1, so
3xy+31=1
3xy=-30
xy=-10,
Now, by x+y=1, we have y=1-x:
x(1-x)=-10
x1=(1-√41)/2
y1=1-x1
x2=(1+√41)/2
y2=1-x2

Q4:


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#3 2006-07-23 03:09:00

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Q1 doesnt really make any sense
Q2

circumference of circle = 2πr
so youre rope is stretched half way around, πr  (π = pi = 3.141592653...bladibla)

but again, unsolvable, because you havnt told use what the radius of the cylinder is.


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#4 2006-07-23 03:13:31

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

luca-deltodesco wrote:

Q1 doesnt really make any sense
Q2

circumference of circle = 2πr
so youre rope is stretched half way around, πr  (π = pi = 3.141592653...bladibla)

but again, unsolvable, because you havnt told use what the radius of the cylinder is.

Abother person which thinks like me.


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#5 2006-07-23 14:24:47

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Okay..Ill upload images.

[img]C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\5cerfib2[1].JPG[/img]

[img]C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\untitled.bmp[/img]

I can't load images from my own computer......



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Some one teach me how to upload?

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#6 2006-07-23 14:31:45

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

luca-deltodesco wrote:

Q1 doesnt really make any sense
Q2

circumference of circle = 2πr
so youre rope is stretched half way around, πr  (π = pi = 3.141592653...bladibla)

but again, unsolvable, because you havnt told use what the radius of the cylinder is.

Wouldn't the radius be 25m because one of the lengths is 50m....and half that is 25m!

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#7 2006-07-23 15:29:03

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Heldensheld wrote:

Q1 Two circles of radii 4cm and 2cm touch a straight line at A and B as shown. Find the distance between A and B.

A_________________________B with circles on the line.



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Let us label the center point of circle A as point X. Let us label the center point of circle B as point Y. We will label the tangent point at which Circle A touches the line as point A. We will label the tangent point at which circle B touches the line as point B.

Draw a line segment from point X to point Y. We know this line segment has a length of 6 cm    (4 cm + 2 cm = 6 cm).

Next, draw a line segment from point X to point A. Halfway between point X and point A on this line segment, create and label point Z.

Notice that line segment XZ has a length of 2 cm. Also notice that line segment YZ is parallel to the original line on which the circles lie, and is orthogonal to line segment XZ. Finally, notice that line segment YZ is equal in length to line segment AB.

We have created a right triangle XYZ with hypotenuse XY.

XY = 6 cm
XZ = 2 cm
YZ = n cm

By the Pythagorean theorem, 2^2 + n^2 = 6^2.

4 + n^2 = 36

n^2 = 32

n = sqrt(32) = 4 * sqrt(2)

~5.657 cm

I hope this helps. smile

Last edited by All_Is_Number (2006-07-23 16:09:52)


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#8 2006-07-23 18:32:12

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Yayayaya smile !!!!!!!!

: jumps up n down like a crazy idiot :

It's right...im glad ppl undertand it -.-

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#9 2006-07-24 01:24:02

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Draw a line segment from point X to point Y. We know this line segment has a length of 6 cm    (4 cm + 2 cm = 6 cm).

Where does it say that the two circles touch at only one point?  Or for that matter, even touch at all?


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#10 2006-07-24 02:13:13

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Ricky wrote:

Where does it say that the two circles touch at only one point?  Or for that matter, even touch at all?

The "picture" seems to indicate the the circles share a single common tangent. If that is not the case, I do not believe there is enough information given to find a solution.


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#11 2006-07-24 02:30:59

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

I do have a picture but I dun know how to put it in without loading the picture of the internet.

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#12 2006-07-24 02:47:50

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Heldensheld wrote:

I do have a picture but I dun know how to put it in without loading the picture of the internet.

Do the circles touch each other at exactly one point? If not, my solution is incorrect and we need more information.


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#13 2006-07-25 02:53:23

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Yes, they do....

Has anyone worked out Q2 yet sad ?

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#14 2006-07-25 02:57:44

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Well, with the information we have atm, the answer is pi*r


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#15 2006-07-25 04:33:47

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Q2 A rope is stretched tightly over an plane hangar from A to B. The shape of the hangar is semi-cylindrical. Find the length of the rope. 
Shape is sorta like that with A at one end and B on the other.

Since the rope is stretched tightly over the hangar, and point A is on one end of the hangar and point B is on the other end of the hangar, we can assume that point A and point B are on opposite corners of the hangar.

Again, the Pythagorean Theorem is the tool we need to solve the problem.

Let us call the length of the rope X.

Let us call the length of the hangar, from front to back L.

Let us call the width of the hangar at the base D.

D/2 = R

Note that R is the radius of the cylinder the hangar is based upon.

The Pythagorean theorem tells us: X^2 = (Pi *R)^2 + L^2

So X = sqrt((Pi * R)^2 + L^2)

Plug in the values for the variables (remember that R = D/2), and solve the expression.

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#16 2006-07-26 02:51:12

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

R=25

L=Sqrt(50^2 +60^2)

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#17 2006-07-26 06:27:55

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Heldensheld wrote:

R=25

L=Sqrt(50^2 +60^2)

L is the length of the airplane hanger from front to back in my explanation. What is that length? Is it given as SQRT(50^2 + 60^2)?

X is the length of the rope.

BTW, what maths class is this for?

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#18 2006-07-27 00:35:01

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Re: Plzplzplzplz help me with these problems!

Highschool standards~

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