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#1 2016-06-21 17:24:35

jacks
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functional equation.

If

and
and
Then

Where

please explain me how can i calculate function

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#2 2016-06-21 17:26:11

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Re: functional equation.

You wish to solve the recurrence? And what is W?


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#3 2016-06-21 17:27:48

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Re: functional equation.

Bobbym actually it is set of whole number

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#4 2016-06-21 17:35:37

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Re: functional equation.

Do you wish to solve the recurrence?

There are a couple of ways to solve that type of recurrence. One uses the auxiliary polynomial.

I am getting


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#5 2016-06-22 01:21:07

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Re: functional equation.

Let's discuss them


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#6 2016-06-22 03:53:39

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Re: functional equation.

Write the characteristic polynomial of the recurrence. This is found by replacing each

in the recurrence by x^n and dividing by x^(n-k) leaving a monic polynomial of degree k and a nonzero constant term.

Now solve

which you should be able to do.

Understand that this is a book problem used to illustrate a very very simple method. In the real world solving this polynomial is much more challenging and can be done by the methods in the other thread.

There are other methods like using generating functions, which I do not like or use. There are cute EM methods that really shine if you have the computational saavy to use them.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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#7 2016-06-23 12:22:49

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Re: functional equation.

What is a characteristic polynomial?


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#8 2016-06-23 12:28:05

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Re: functional equation.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#9 2016-06-23 13:29:29

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Re: functional equation.

That's interesting.


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#10 2016-06-23 13:33:58

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Re: functional equation.

Works well on book problems.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#11 2016-06-23 13:36:54

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Re: functional equation.

What is the inspiration behind the characterisitc polynomial?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#12 2016-06-23 13:38:31

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Re: functional equation.

That I can not say. It looks like just substitution. You can probably read up on it on the net.


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If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#13 2016-06-23 16:07:39

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Re: functional equation.

bobbym wrote:

Works well on book problems.

What are book problems?


'And fun? If maths is fun, then getting a tooth extraction is fun. A viral infection is fun. Rabies shots are fun.'
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#14 2016-06-23 16:11:14

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Re: functional equation.

Hohohohooohooooooahahhahhha! That is a good one.

Book problem: Definition:

Pertaining to math, it is a problem found in a math book.


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#15 2016-06-23 17:50:26

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Re: functional equation.

You mean "book" used as a noun and not as a verb.


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#16 2016-06-23 18:47:38

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Re: functional equation.

I have never been very good with grammar. Being a bumpkin means talking and writing kind of funny.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#17 2016-06-23 20:12:46

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Re: functional equation.

It does not go into my thick head.


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#18 2016-06-24 04:41:01

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Re: functional equation.

When I first came here I had a very hard head too. But they taught me how to sharpen it.

state-farm-coneheads-france-paris-600.jpg

Now I have a sharp hard head.


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#19 2016-06-24 04:53:38

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Re: functional equation.

you mean conical head?


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#20 2016-06-24 13:13:39

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Re: functional equation.

Yes, I really could see no use for such a head until the guys over here started a thread about typing with other than their fingers. I of course used my sharpened head and it was easy. It was then that I knew why I had been born...


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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#21 2016-07-09 22:08:10

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Re: functional equation.

Thanks bobbym

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#22 2016-07-10 00:12:41

bobbym
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Re: functional equation.

For the sharpened head stuff or the recurrence?


In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them.
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
Always satisfy the Prime Directive of getting the right answer above all else.

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