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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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Hi! I've got a question:

In a 8-floors building, which floor is the safest?

Consider that:

-there is not fire escape (fire escapes are uncommon in europe residential buildings)

-is surrounded by equal tall buildings

-is near an airport

Ask me if you need more informations, and thanks for the answers!

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

Are the buildings connected?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

Hi;

Are the buildings connected?

No. They are separated by about 20 meters

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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What is the neighborhood like?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

What is the neighborhood like?

I only know of the ones on the seventh floor, they are ok.

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Hi;

I meant the area around the building, is it safe?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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in the area there is a nomad camp, mostly drunk and dirty people, but I think they are often too drunk to do serious damage. There were also some burglaries in the apartments (when the owners were not at home)

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Do the apts have a lobby and a security desk? Do they have elevators? Do you just walk in from the street and get access to the upper floors?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

Do the apts have a lobby?

Yes

bobbym wrote:

Do the apts have a security desk?

No

bobbym wrote:

Do they have elevators?

Yes

bobbym wrote:

Do you just walk in from the street and get access to the upper floors?

No, there is a fence

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Locked that only a tenants key can open I presume?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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Yes, but it's classic key, not an advanced one

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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What type of construction material is it? Brick or mostly wood?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

What type of construction material is it? Brick or mostly wood?

The building? Brick. Wood is not present in any place

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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The ground floor windows have any kind of defense like bars or alarms?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

The ground floor windows have any kind of defense like bars or alarms?

No, but i think you can add the bars or alarms by yourself

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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The ground floor is the first floor? It is street level?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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The first residential floor is the first floor and it's not on the street level, it's a floor above. The ground floor it's just for the lobby, it doesn't hasn't an alarm but has a glass door locked with a classic key.

My previous answer refers to the first floor, sorry but english is not my first language

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Are the first floor apartment windows accessible from the ground? Is it easy to climb up there from the outside? Is there a balcony connected to the apartment?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

Are the first floor apartment windows accessible from the ground? Is it easy to climb up there from the outside? Is there a balcony connected to the apartment?

There is a balcony connected to the apartment, but it is inside the fence, not directly on the street. I think that simply jumping is not possible to reach the balcony, but with the help of another person on which you can stand on the shoulders it's possible to reach the balcony

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Then you have a tradeoff security is better the higher up you go but it is more difficult to escape the building in case of fire or earthquake. In my country breakins are many times more likely than a natural disaster so I would choose higher up. In your country the probabilities may be different.

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**bob bundy****Administrator**- Registered: 2010-06-20
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hi harplayer,

Welcome to the forum.

Do you own (and love) a cat ? If yes, then go for floor 7 or 8.

http://www.omgfacts.com/lists/3988/Cats … wer-levels

Bob

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Hmm, real life problem?

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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bobbym wrote:

Then you have a tradeoff security is better the higher up you go but it is more difficult to escape the building in case of fire or earthquake. In my country breakins are many times more likely than a natural disaster so I would choose higher up. In your country the probabilities may be different.

I also think that the chances of a plane crash in the lower floors are lower than the upper floors, because being the building surrounded by other buildings, to hit the lower floors a plane should fall almost vertically.

Do you think it should be considered, although the possibility is very very low?

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**bobbym****bumpkin**- From: Bumpkinland
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Plane crash is going cause extensive damage but is extremely unlikely. The other problems have a much higher probability.

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**harplayer****Member**- Registered: 2014-09-30
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I agree.

But you think that someone who already lives in a place "x" with a 10 times higher chance of being hit by a very unlikely disaster (such as a plane crash) [so 10 ^ (- 6) instead of 10 ^ (- 7)] respect to a place "y", and that this guy absolutely does not want to die (obviously); should he move in y?

Or, despite the risks of x and y are apparently equal (excluding the disaster), in reality there may be risks difficult to assess that could make the relocation useless?

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